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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 5970643" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>This is where things are terribly difficult for WotC. At this point, they are attempting to represent some kind of Populist position whereby every sub-culture of DnD is the begrieved, little guy and they'll have their due (the ability to play their preferred game through modding, or outright playing, the base system). Unfortunately, every single "DnD union" that WotC is representing maintains a position of disenfranchisement to one degree or another that is directly in conflict with the other "DnD union(s)." Worse yet, there are some that have an odd, xenophobic fervor to their ire such that they have a considerable number of non-starters directly related to tertiary elements of other unions' playstyles being reasonably represented in the new ruleset (mostly in the core rules but sometimes even so far as to not want aspects of their playstyle to even be available via modules for fear of it tainting the mainstream - your quote above). You used the word poison. I agree with that assessment.</p><p></p><p>Placating the middle and the radicals (who knows what percentage they are?) who don't want to even have their eyes cast upon something like a "mythic warrior" (even if it can be 100 % absent from their game)...again, a neat trick. There are only two ways forward; Big tent whereby they produce a base core and mod it...or support each edition as a separate entity. Given the polarization of the player base, they've clearly chosen the more difficult route (either for political expedience or economics...who knows). I truly hope that the player base becomes less polarized as this playtest continues. It looked very ugly several weeks ago. But, as of late, I've noticed a few more internet handshakes, slaps on the backs, and begrudging agreements. So I guess maybe there is hope.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 5970643, member: 6696971"] This is where things are terribly difficult for WotC. At this point, they are attempting to represent some kind of Populist position whereby every sub-culture of DnD is the begrieved, little guy and they'll have their due (the ability to play their preferred game through modding, or outright playing, the base system). Unfortunately, every single "DnD union" that WotC is representing maintains a position of disenfranchisement to one degree or another that is directly in conflict with the other "DnD union(s)." Worse yet, there are some that have an odd, xenophobic fervor to their ire such that they have a considerable number of non-starters directly related to tertiary elements of other unions' playstyles being reasonably represented in the new ruleset (mostly in the core rules but sometimes even so far as to not want aspects of their playstyle to even be available via modules for fear of it tainting the mainstream - your quote above). You used the word poison. I agree with that assessment. Placating the middle and the radicals (who knows what percentage they are?) who don't want to even have their eyes cast upon something like a "mythic warrior" (even if it can be 100 % absent from their game)...again, a neat trick. There are only two ways forward; Big tent whereby they produce a base core and mod it...or support each edition as a separate entity. Given the polarization of the player base, they've clearly chosen the more difficult route (either for political expedience or economics...who knows). I truly hope that the player base becomes less polarized as this playtest continues. It looked very ugly several weeks ago. But, as of late, I've noticed a few more internet handshakes, slaps on the backs, and begrudging agreements. So I guess maybe there is hope. [/QUOTE]
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