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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 5971533" data-attributes="member: 3887"><p>I like that idea... privilege. </p><p></p><p>But that doesn't apply to my examples. I wasn't talking about PCs jumping off cliffs for the heck or it, or being immolated by magical fire as part of their nightly exfoliating routine. </p><p></p><p>I was talking about the common situations adventures find themselves in <em>while adventuring</em>. </p><p></p><p></p><p>As the Borg might say, meat is irrelevant. The PC can eat the damage (without any outside assistance). Even it you're defining this as 'luck' or 'grit' -- it's mythic luck, mythic grit. It describes a person and a world which is wholly unrealistic/not-mortal-as-we-know-it. </p><p></p><p></p><p>For the first few levels, I agree with you. But by 10th, the fighter is John Carter on Mars or maybe Rama, not your average above-average Bruce Willis character. </p><p></p><p>Also, your typical Hollywood action hero can usually be sucker punched/caught unaware/knocked out by a single blow. </p><p></p><p>Your typical 10th level fighter cannot, ever, by knocked out by a surprise blow from behind. Even if it's a blow from a Titan --as per AD&D 2e-- out of Greek myth. Unless, of course, the fighter just fell off a 100' cliff (or two). </p><p></p><p>There are, you must admit, some differences, between Central Casting in Hollywood and Greyhawk. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I was describing the kinds of things that tend to happen to 10th level PCs. Do you disagree with this?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 5971533, member: 3887"] I like that idea... privilege. But that doesn't apply to my examples. I wasn't talking about PCs jumping off cliffs for the heck or it, or being immolated by magical fire as part of their nightly exfoliating routine. I was talking about the common situations adventures find themselves in [i]while adventuring[/i]. As the Borg might say, meat is irrelevant. The PC can eat the damage (without any outside assistance). Even it you're defining this as 'luck' or 'grit' -- it's mythic luck, mythic grit. It describes a person and a world which is wholly unrealistic/not-mortal-as-we-know-it. For the first few levels, I agree with you. But by 10th, the fighter is John Carter on Mars or maybe Rama, not your average above-average Bruce Willis character. Also, your typical Hollywood action hero can usually be sucker punched/caught unaware/knocked out by a single blow. Your typical 10th level fighter cannot, ever, by knocked out by a surprise blow from behind. Even if it's a blow from a Titan --as per AD&D 2e-- out of Greek myth. Unless, of course, the fighter just fell off a 100' cliff (or two). There are, you must admit, some differences, between Central Casting in Hollywood and Greyhawk. I was describing the kinds of things that tend to happen to 10th level PCs. Do you disagree with this? [/QUOTE]
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