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<blockquote data-quote="Underman" data-source="post: 5972072" data-attributes="member: 6696705">Sure, but do you differentiate between the quality and quantity or pervasiveness of &quot;dream logic&quot; in real-life myth vs LoTR? I do.The quality of &quot;dream logic&quot; I had in mind is the pre-rational stuff (like the aforementioned Thor lifting the cat's paw that is actually the World Serpent) which to me isn't exactly comparable to LoTR.There is also a huge difference between the unexplained and the unexplainable. So Aragorn's 80 yr diaspora is unexplained. Jormungandr encircling Midgard while simultaneously being a small cat in giant's hut is unexplainable.The 14 day fight with the Balrog is dream logic as left unexplained. Perhaps Gandalf only explained the short version that was palatable to mere mortals in that moment of haste. It probably could be explained if it were given a novella format narrating a drawn out affair with various sieges and ambushes and hiatuses hiding in caves, suspension bubbles, gating in and out of worlds, etc. (from the top of my head, I don't really care)There's &quot;dream logic&quot; and there's &quot;fantasy logic&quot; and they surely overlap at times.I probably could go through your list of LoTR examples and try to find rational explanations, but I don't really care, and people will just start making fun of me again because they think I deeply care or something. We already started with the &quot;hands of the healer&quot; anyway.Which leaves me just generally opinining that the overall qualities and tone of &quot;dream logic&quot; are overall differentiated for me.Exactly, that's why I wrote in that post &quot;But really, who cares?&quot; and then proceeded to elaborate how oxygen never figured into the formation of myths and fantasy, and so the challenges posed by others about giants being scientifically impossible are irrelevant and don't break my suspension of disbelief. People seem to keep glossing over this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Underman, post: 5972072, member: 6696705"] Sure, but do you differentiate between the quality and quantity or pervasiveness of "dream logic" in real-life myth vs LoTR? I do. The quality of "dream logic" I had in mind is the pre-rational stuff (like the aforementioned Thor lifting the cat's paw that is actually the World Serpent) which to me isn't exactly comparable to LoTR. There is also a huge difference between the unexplained and the unexplainable. So Aragorn's 80 yr diaspora is unexplained. Jormungandr encircling Midgard while simultaneously being a small cat in giant's hut is unexplainable. The 14 day fight with the Balrog is dream logic as left unexplained. Perhaps Gandalf only explained the short version that was palatable to mere mortals in that moment of haste. It probably could be explained if it were given a novella format narrating a drawn out affair with various sieges and ambushes and hiatuses hiding in caves, suspension bubbles, gating in and out of worlds, etc. (from the top of my head, I don't really care) There's "dream logic" and there's "fantasy logic" and they surely overlap at times. I probably could go through your list of LoTR examples and try to find rational explanations, but I don't really care, and people will just start making fun of me again because they think I deeply care or something. We already started with the "hands of the healer" anyway. Which leaves me just generally opinining that the overall qualities and tone of "dream logic" are overall differentiated for me. Exactly, that's why I wrote in that post "But really, who cares?" and then proceeded to elaborate how oxygen never figured into the formation of myths and fantasy, and so the challenges posed by others about giants being scientifically impossible are irrelevant and don't break my suspension of disbelief. People seem to keep glossing over this. [/QUOTE]

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