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<blockquote data-quote="dd.stevenson" data-source="post: 6352455" data-attributes="member: 6683099"><p>Nor do they ask the fighter why he can hit the same enemy twice in the same encounter. I think the magical/mundane double standard is a red herring: it's a stealth/nonstealth issue. Stealth in combat is a particular bugbear, because it's hampered by the fact that D&D combat has no facing rules; thus it's up to the whim of the group whether stealth "sounds good" in that situation.</p><p></p><p>The proper magical analogue, to my mind, would be to claim that no one ever asks the illusionist why he can fool the same enemy twice in the same encounter with an invisibility spell. And that claim is, of course, not accurate: some groups would allow it, and others would have the enemy ready to throw flour at the spot just as soon as the pesky wizard disappears a second time.</p><p></p><p>If your group demanded that the rogue, but not the wizard, explain how he fooled the same enemy twice with the same deception, then I would agree that there was a martial/mundane double standard in your group. But that double standard, while it exists, is very, very far from universal--in my experience.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dd.stevenson, post: 6352455, member: 6683099"] Nor do they ask the fighter why he can hit the same enemy twice in the same encounter. I think the magical/mundane double standard is a red herring: it's a stealth/nonstealth issue. Stealth in combat is a particular bugbear, because it's hampered by the fact that D&D combat has no facing rules; thus it's up to the whim of the group whether stealth "sounds good" in that situation. The proper magical analogue, to my mind, would be to claim that no one ever asks the illusionist why he can fool the same enemy twice in the same encounter with an invisibility spell. And that claim is, of course, not accurate: some groups would allow it, and others would have the enemy ready to throw flour at the spot just as soon as the pesky wizard disappears a second time. If your group demanded that the rogue, but not the wizard, explain how he fooled the same enemy twice with the same deception, then I would agree that there was a martial/mundane double standard in your group. But that double standard, while it exists, is very, very far from universal--in my experience. [/QUOTE]
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