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The Dual Wielding Ranger: How Aragorn, Drizzt, and Dual-Wielding Led to the Ranger's Loss of Identity
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8243369" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Briefly-</p><p></p><p>1. Montolio, the blind ranger who taught Drizzt, was first mentioned in <em>Sojourn</em>, in 1991. This is an example of R. A. Salvatore <em>retconning </em>Drizzt to meet the 2e rules, which were published two years before that.</p><p>Source-</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Montolio_Debrouchee[/URL]</p><p></p><p>2. Drizzt was a sidekick in Crystal Shard, it was not released in hardcover, and Drizzt wasn't that big in the TTRPG community until later. The first mention in the community is in Dragon Magazine (March of '88), and it's a blurb for the upcoming release of Crystal Shard which is being sold as an upcoming novel about Wulfgur the Barbarian - no mention of Drizzt. (Dragon 131 at 59). As late as February of 1990, TSR is still previewing and advertising the upcoming end of the Icewind Dale trilogy by saying that it is about Regis, the halfling thief, and not even mentioning Drizzt! (Dragon 154 at 98). In fact, until much later, the only (ONLY) mention of Drizzt I can find in the official mouthpiece of TSR was a rundown of upcoming books about the Forgotten Realms- the FR book are listed after the DL books, and Salvatore's book is listed after Niles's book - which was the pecking order at the time - and Drizzt is mentioned as the third character, after Wulfgur and Bruenor. (Dragon 141 at 69). So while I hear what you are saying, and things quickly started changing with the Dark Elf trilogy from '90 on, and certainly with the beginning of publishing Drizzt in hardcover (which was by '92), it is clear from the record as well as my memory that Drizzt wasn't well established until after 2e had taken off.</p><p></p><p>3. The reason I quoted the last part is kind of important. Look- I can provide quotes from the guy who actually made 2e. I can provide (and DID!) contemporaneous quotes from Salvatore. I can keep showing you that he wasn't important enough when 2e was being finalized and released. I can remind you that it would be utterly insane for TSR to both demand that a class be made specifically for a character, as well as demand that a race be removed at the same time so NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THAT CHARACTER. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Instead, I'm just going to say this- look, if it's super important to you, just do some research. Secrets don't keep. Someone, somewhere, is quoted as revealing the truth that you know to be true. So do the digging, and instead of insisting that Cook and Salvatore and the timeline and articles in Dragon are wrong, just provide some great historical evidence that you are right that I can check and add to the OP! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8243369, member: 7023840"] Briefly- 1. Montolio, the blind ranger who taught Drizzt, was first mentioned in [I]Sojourn[/I], in 1991. This is an example of R. A. Salvatore [I]retconning [/I]Drizzt to meet the 2e rules, which were published two years before that. Source- [URL unfurl="true"]https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Montolio_Debrouchee[/URL] 2. Drizzt was a sidekick in Crystal Shard, it was not released in hardcover, and Drizzt wasn't that big in the TTRPG community until later. The first mention in the community is in Dragon Magazine (March of '88), and it's a blurb for the upcoming release of Crystal Shard which is being sold as an upcoming novel about Wulfgur the Barbarian - no mention of Drizzt. (Dragon 131 at 59). As late as February of 1990, TSR is still previewing and advertising the upcoming end of the Icewind Dale trilogy by saying that it is about Regis, the halfling thief, and not even mentioning Drizzt! (Dragon 154 at 98). In fact, until much later, the only (ONLY) mention of Drizzt I can find in the official mouthpiece of TSR was a rundown of upcoming books about the Forgotten Realms- the FR book are listed after the DL books, and Salvatore's book is listed after Niles's book - which was the pecking order at the time - and Drizzt is mentioned as the third character, after Wulfgur and Bruenor. (Dragon 141 at 69). So while I hear what you are saying, and things quickly started changing with the Dark Elf trilogy from '90 on, and certainly with the beginning of publishing Drizzt in hardcover (which was by '92), it is clear from the record as well as my memory that Drizzt wasn't well established until after 2e had taken off. 3. The reason I quoted the last part is kind of important. Look- I can provide quotes from the guy who actually made 2e. I can provide (and DID!) contemporaneous quotes from Salvatore. I can keep showing you that he wasn't important enough when 2e was being finalized and released. I can remind you that it would be utterly insane for TSR to both demand that a class be made specifically for a character, as well as demand that a race be removed at the same time so NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THAT CHARACTER. ;) Instead, I'm just going to say this- look, if it's super important to you, just do some research. Secrets don't keep. Someone, somewhere, is quoted as revealing the truth that you know to be true. So do the digging, and instead of insisting that Cook and Salvatore and the timeline and articles in Dragon are wrong, just provide some great historical evidence that you are right that I can check and add to the OP! :) [/QUOTE]
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