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<blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 8253969" data-attributes="member: 944">Ranger (and thieves as well but that is another conversation)&nbsp; only needed to exist as a class because D&amp;D has until 3rd edition had inconsistent and janky rules for all kind of common adventuring tasks.Tracking? No idea. Stealth? No idea we uh got surprise rules lifted from wargames.Its&nbsp; understandable as D&amp;D started as 'Play a hero only&quot; wargaming and no one expected to be anything but a niche hobby but it took a long long time to evolve and during that time, each fashion of the day (Aragorn today, than Drizzt and so on) get added in and being part of a long lived and well loved stuck around.What suffered is coherence but than maybe that's part of D&amp;D's charm. Sure a D&amp;D with four classes (Fighter, Skill Monkey, Magic User, Cleric) and a skill system would be more focused but it wouldn't be D&amp;D and that is what counts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ace, post: 8253969, member: 944"] Ranger (and thieves as well but that is another conversation) only needed to exist as a class because D&D has until 3rd edition had inconsistent and janky rules for all kind of common adventuring tasks. Tracking? No idea. Stealth? No idea we uh got surprise rules lifted from wargames. Its understandable as D&D started as 'Play a hero only" wargaming and no one expected to be anything but a niche hobby but it took a long long time to evolve and during that time, each fashion of the day (Aragorn today, than Drizzt and so on) get added in and being part of a long lived and well loved stuck around. What suffered is coherence but than maybe that's part of D&D's charm. Sure a D&D with four classes (Fighter, Skill Monkey, Magic User, Cleric) and a skill system would be more focused but it wouldn't be D&D and that is what counts. [/QUOTE]

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