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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RainOfSteel" data-source="post: 3334291" data-attributes="member: 24460">I agree.  Some scraps of information may well be correct.  But most of them are going to be wrong.Tiamat boasts to some adventurers that she is the archduke(duchess) of Avernus, and this gets reported on the Prime Material.Bel appears to lead the Dark Eight from a central fortress, and so other deduce that he is the archduke of Avernus.The Dark Eight appear to lead vast hordes of devils, and so others have reported them as the rulers of the Nine Hells and either never knew about or dismissed the archdevils.Asmodeus appears to rule Nessus, and further appears to make the archdevils dance to his whim, and so he is reported as the ruler of the Nine Hells.Do you really think you know what is written on the Pact Primeval?Truly obscure legend refers to Asmodeus' fall into the original unshaped Baator.  However, other legends refer to the fact that Asmodeus was a functionary in the Nine Hells until he managed to overthrow his superiors, a passtime that is continually reported to be a favorite activity of the entire diabolic population.Good luck figuring out the truth.The USSR under Stalin.I wouldn't accuse devils of worrying about niceties.Some laws devils might be subject to without a choice, but such laws will be enforced by one form of might or another.Laws that are not continually enforced with be circumvented whenever possible and/or convenient for a devil in question.Lawful Evil is the very defintion of that which will attempt to circumvent the law and otherwise make a mockery of it for others while exploiting it for itself, even if it invented that law.You can't expect diabolic loyalty that much, anyway.  Every devil wants to advance themselves, pure and simple.  Overthrowing one's superior is a normal course of events.  Doing so and getting away with it may be something else entirely, but they all want to do it.  Asmodeus is the target of every archdevil and most the dukes (the remaining dukes have sub-goals of overthrowing their immediate archdevil first).</blockquote>

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