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<blockquote data-quote="Blade of Desecration" data-source="post: 2076108" data-attributes="member: 27325"><p>Other people might have different experiences with them, but don't get the stuff by Mongouse Publishing. They sacrifice all balance for flavor and give a new meaning to the phrase "power-gaming". Speaking of which, onto my rant...</p><p><em><span style="color: Red">AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></em></p><p>Man, I <em>really</em> needed to do that.</p><p>So, one of my players decided to start buying all of these non-core D&D books. And by non-core I don't mean as in stuff like CW and UA, I mean stuff not published by WotC. Now, my player is convinced that because it says on the book that it is WotC approved, is automatically just as core as the PHB and MM. And he's not alone, since he convinced one of our other group members of the same thing. Now, he is insisting on using everything from the books as a PC, no matter how unbalanced it is. He says it is to make his character "unique". Coincidentally, everything that is "unique" also happens to be uber powerful. Here are three examples of what he has wanted to play, and these are just some crossbreeds: minos (half minotaur, half centaur), nathis (half rakshasa, half nymph), and something-else (half elf, half naga). Now all of these things half an LA of three or less, but are way to powerful for that, more like +5. During one of the other players campaigns (they all have minor campaigns they do from time to time), he wasted a half hour trying to convince the DM to let him play one really powerful character, and wouldn't take no for an answer. Myself and the DM kept telling him no, but he kept at it, until I lost my temper and spent a full minute yelling at him that he coudn't be it, end of story! Then he had the stupidity to say "Well, I didn't here the DM say I couldn't." This was after the DM had told him at least six times that he couldn't play the character. I told him that he was making everything around him dumber and to shut up or I'd kick him out of the group or quit myself. And so help me, I was perfectly ready to follow through on the threat. The DM finally told him he could play the character if he would just shut up. Then five minutes inot the game, the player says "Actually, I'm changing my character to a sun elf wizard." You have no idea how pissed off I am at this guy right now. The other annoying thing is that no matter what was said, the other guy in our group always sided with him.</p><p>Now, here is the thing I hate about these two people. Although they're both my friends, there are so many times I just want to beat the crap out of them (and they no I can, I've got a black belt in jeet-kune-do). Several things to know about them. First, they've both known each other for a long time, so they always side with each other, no matter how idiotic a point the other is making. Heres the other thing, they both went to the same college prep class during the summer at the beginning of middle-school. The other member of our group, the least academically spectacular among us is the only thing that holds the group together at times, because of that class. Not because I'm jealous that they took the class, since I could have if I'd wanted to, but because it makes them so <em>goddamn arrogant</em>! They both look down on me as their intelectual inferior most of the time. Now, I don't mean to insult their intelligence, but I consider myself smarter than either of them. If any question comes up in game, their basic attitude towards me (even though nothing outright is said) is "He didn't take the same class as we did, so we are by default the more intelligent, so whatever he says doesn't matter." To make matters worse, they don't listed to anyone else. If one of them wnats something approved for use in <em>my</em> campaign, they ask the other one, without ever consulting me, the DM. I'm a hairsbreath away fomr kicking them both out and getting new players.</p><p>For anyone who read this far, thanks for listening to me rant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blade of Desecration, post: 2076108, member: 27325"] Other people might have different experiences with them, but don't get the stuff by Mongouse Publishing. They sacrifice all balance for flavor and give a new meaning to the phrase "power-gaming". Speaking of which, onto my rant... [I][COLOR=Red]AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/COLOR][/I] Man, I [I]really[/I] needed to do that. So, one of my players decided to start buying all of these non-core D&D books. And by non-core I don't mean as in stuff like CW and UA, I mean stuff not published by WotC. Now, my player is convinced that because it says on the book that it is WotC approved, is automatically just as core as the PHB and MM. And he's not alone, since he convinced one of our other group members of the same thing. Now, he is insisting on using everything from the books as a PC, no matter how unbalanced it is. He says it is to make his character "unique". Coincidentally, everything that is "unique" also happens to be uber powerful. Here are three examples of what he has wanted to play, and these are just some crossbreeds: minos (half minotaur, half centaur), nathis (half rakshasa, half nymph), and something-else (half elf, half naga). Now all of these things half an LA of three or less, but are way to powerful for that, more like +5. During one of the other players campaigns (they all have minor campaigns they do from time to time), he wasted a half hour trying to convince the DM to let him play one really powerful character, and wouldn't take no for an answer. Myself and the DM kept telling him no, but he kept at it, until I lost my temper and spent a full minute yelling at him that he coudn't be it, end of story! Then he had the stupidity to say "Well, I didn't here the DM say I couldn't." This was after the DM had told him at least six times that he couldn't play the character. I told him that he was making everything around him dumber and to shut up or I'd kick him out of the group or quit myself. And so help me, I was perfectly ready to follow through on the threat. The DM finally told him he could play the character if he would just shut up. Then five minutes inot the game, the player says "Actually, I'm changing my character to a sun elf wizard." You have no idea how pissed off I am at this guy right now. The other annoying thing is that no matter what was said, the other guy in our group always sided with him. Now, here is the thing I hate about these two people. Although they're both my friends, there are so many times I just want to beat the crap out of them (and they no I can, I've got a black belt in jeet-kune-do). Several things to know about them. First, they've both known each other for a long time, so they always side with each other, no matter how idiotic a point the other is making. Heres the other thing, they both went to the same college prep class during the summer at the beginning of middle-school. The other member of our group, the least academically spectacular among us is the only thing that holds the group together at times, because of that class. Not because I'm jealous that they took the class, since I could have if I'd wanted to, but because it makes them so [I]goddamn arrogant[/I]! They both look down on me as their intelectual inferior most of the time. Now, I don't mean to insult their intelligence, but I consider myself smarter than either of them. If any question comes up in game, their basic attitude towards me (even though nothing outright is said) is "He didn't take the same class as we did, so we are by default the more intelligent, so whatever he says doesn't matter." To make matters worse, they don't listed to anyone else. If one of them wnats something approved for use in [I]my[/I] campaign, they ask the other one, without ever consulting me, the DM. I'm a hairsbreath away fomr kicking them both out and getting new players. For anyone who read this far, thanks for listening to me rant. [/QUOTE]
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