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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5381774" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>We don't know how similar it is to Maptool. It could be better in any number of practical respects.</p><p></p><p>Seen it? I'd wait and see what functionality it has, we know nothing, so what makes you think it is less?</p><p></p><p>They haven't said they are charging a dime for it yet. </p><p></p><p>Realistically, as a long time Maptool user, there are plenty of ways the program could be a better VTT for 4e than Maptool is. Maptool has a HUGE amount of customizability but that doesn't mean it is ideal. You can use the Rumble (or other) 4e macro frameworks, but my assessment of them is that they are a good bit of work to use. They are written in a pretty obtuse scripting language that was NEVER designed to do complex stuff like a 4e framework. You can make it work, but Rumble is SLOW (I've had power macros take 3-4 MINUTES to run) and it still lacks many basic nice features. Character importing is piecemeal and very buggy, and the same for monsters. It lacks any kind of real inventory control. In fact it really isn't a character management tool at all except in a very basic way. It lets you invoke a power, attack, hit, and do damage, and marks power expenditure and tracks conditions, HP, AP, and does a few other things. That is GOOD, but you still have to set it all up with the right math and there are tons of powers it can't handle, etc. If you just level your character you have to go in and tweak a whole bunch of numbers in your powers and whatnot for instance. The other 4e frameworks are roughly similar, some do certain things better, but none of them is close to being ideal.</p><p></p><p>So, a VTT that is 4e specific and handles a bunch of stuff elegantly? Oh yeah. It doesn't have to be Maptool in all its glory to succeed. If you can drop a PC onto the thing from .dnd4e file and use your powers and have the right math, the rest is gravy. Right now it takes 2-3 hours of work to set up a 4e token for Maptool. Make that 30 SECONDS and you enable a whole new level of pickup gaming and flexibility.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5381774, member: 82106"] We don't know how similar it is to Maptool. It could be better in any number of practical respects. Seen it? I'd wait and see what functionality it has, we know nothing, so what makes you think it is less? They haven't said they are charging a dime for it yet. Realistically, as a long time Maptool user, there are plenty of ways the program could be a better VTT for 4e than Maptool is. Maptool has a HUGE amount of customizability but that doesn't mean it is ideal. You can use the Rumble (or other) 4e macro frameworks, but my assessment of them is that they are a good bit of work to use. They are written in a pretty obtuse scripting language that was NEVER designed to do complex stuff like a 4e framework. You can make it work, but Rumble is SLOW (I've had power macros take 3-4 MINUTES to run) and it still lacks many basic nice features. Character importing is piecemeal and very buggy, and the same for monsters. It lacks any kind of real inventory control. In fact it really isn't a character management tool at all except in a very basic way. It lets you invoke a power, attack, hit, and do damage, and marks power expenditure and tracks conditions, HP, AP, and does a few other things. That is GOOD, but you still have to set it all up with the right math and there are tons of powers it can't handle, etc. If you just level your character you have to go in and tweak a whole bunch of numbers in your powers and whatnot for instance. The other 4e frameworks are roughly similar, some do certain things better, but none of them is close to being ideal. So, a VTT that is 4e specific and handles a bunch of stuff elegantly? Oh yeah. It doesn't have to be Maptool in all its glory to succeed. If you can drop a PC onto the thing from .dnd4e file and use your powers and have the right math, the rest is gravy. Right now it takes 2-3 hours of work to set up a 4e token for Maptool. Make that 30 SECONDS and you enable a whole new level of pickup gaming and flexibility. [/QUOTE]
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