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<blockquote data-quote="SWAT" data-source="post: 2932814" data-attributes="member: 2751">I was arguing/discussing with my manager at lunch today about the d20 rules system (using D&amp;D for examples). His claim was that d20 isn't an elegant system, compared to things like Fudge (never heard of it), because of the large amount of rules and sub-systems that get added on top of the main &quot;d20 + modifier&quot; mechanic. His supporting examples included 1. the entirety of the Feat system, many of which are little rules add-ons, like Cleave, 2. the large number of ranged damage dealing spells when only a few would suffice and 3. attacks of oppotunity. He also said it was strange to have so many complex systems to provide options and realism, but also to have an extremely abstract hit points system.Now, I argued against this mostly on principle, because surely the system I've played and loved for so long must be elegant, right? Right? But it turns out I can't argue myself out of a cardboard box, and I can't just let this go, so can anyone help me out? (Or show me that my position is hopeless?) Thanks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SWAT, post: 2932814, member: 2751"] I was arguing/discussing with my manager at lunch today about the d20 rules system (using D&D for examples). His claim was that d20 isn't an elegant system, compared to things like Fudge (never heard of it), because of the large amount of rules and sub-systems that get added on top of the main "d20 + modifier" mechanic. His supporting examples included 1. the entirety of the Feat system, many of which are little rules add-ons, like Cleave, 2. the large number of ranged damage dealing spells when only a few would suffice and 3. attacks of oppotunity. He also said it was strange to have so many complex systems to provide options and realism, but also to have an extremely abstract hit points system. Now, I argued against this mostly on principle, because surely the system I've played and loved for so long must be elegant, right? Right? But it turns out I can't argue myself out of a cardboard box, and I can't just let this go, so can anyone help me out? (Or show me that my position is hopeless?) Thanks. [/QUOTE]

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