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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 534637" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p>FWIW, I've thought about the "classic" energy types as well.</p><p></p><p>I chose to start by relating things to the "modern" elemental states of matter...</p><p></p><p>Earth = Solid</p><p>Water = Liquid</p><p>Air = Gas</p><p>Fire = Plasma (a little tenuous, but can be made)</p><p></p><p>My next step is to add "electrons" in the form of Electricity</p><p></p><p>Electricity = electrons/electric charge = "energy" (not in the sense of Positive/Negative energy, but just "energy")</p><p></p><p>I might then derive the following:</p><p></p><p>Acid = Liquid plus "Negative Electricity" ("Lewis acids" try to "rip electrons away, implying that they have a surplus of protons, hence they are in a real sense the "opposite" of electricity)</p><p></p><p>Now, I need to figure out how to derive explanations for:</p><p></p><p>Cold</p><p>Force</p><p>Sonic</p><p></p><p>I could make a (tenuous) argument that</p><p></p><p>Sonic = Gas plus Energy (Sound Waves)</p><p></p><p>Now, I go "metaphysical" - "Earth/Solid" is the form matter takes when it is in the state of least energy, so to further "drain" it of energy makes it palpable cold...</p><p></p><p>Cold = Solid plus Negative Energy</p><p></p><p>Similarly, I resort to metaphysical argument that "Fire/Plasma", the highest energy state, can somehow be channelled into an "infinite potential wall" through which nothing can pass (i.e., you must have more energy than the plasma to pass through, and I can increase the plasma's energy to infinity) by adding energy...</p><p></p><p>Force = Plasma plus Energy</p><p></p><p>This has some interesting implications... to review</p><p></p><p>Earth = Solid</p><p>Water = Liquid</p><p>Air = Gas</p><p>Fire = Plasma</p><p></p><p>Electricity = Energy</p><p></p><p>We have a set of "preferred associations" to get the other elemental damage types:</p><p></p><p>Cold = Solid + Negative Energy ("un-Electricity, if you will)</p><p>Acid = Liquid + Negative Energy</p><p>Sonic = Gas + Energy</p><p>Force = Plasma + Energy</p><p></p><p>This of course leaves four "other" combinations...</p><p></p><p>Solid + Energy = Slashing/Bludgeoning/Piercing</p><p>Liquid + Energy = Bases (which wind up being similar in their destructive effects to acids)</p><p>Gas + Negative Energy = Silence</p><p>Plasma + Negative Energy = Teleport/Plane Shift (after all, the opposite of an "impassable wall" would be the "portal to anywhere")</p><p></p><p>More mixing could yield</p><p></p><p>Solid + Liquid = Amorphous stuff like Mud/Shapechange</p><p>Liquid + Gas = Vapor/Mist</p><p>Gas + Plasma = ???</p><p></p><p>Not quite sure where I'm going with all of this, but thought it was interesting enough to throw out there. Still working out how to add Positive/Negative Energy (as in Healing and Necromantic energies). Regardless, I think I have hit quite a few of the "typical" descriptors in this mental exercise.</p><p></p><p>Other things I have thought about - trying to add dimensionality (x, y, z, t, meta - meta represents a "higher awareness" such as that granted by divination spells) to the mix.</p><p></p><p>But when I add that many axes I find I'm up to 8 axes:</p><p>x</p><p>y</p><p>z</p><p>t</p><p>meta</p><p>elemental state</p><p>energy (lightning)</p><p>positive/negative (healing/undead) energy</p><p></p><p>...and that gets really hard for me to visualize.</p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 534637, member: 2013"] FWIW, I've thought about the "classic" energy types as well. I chose to start by relating things to the "modern" elemental states of matter... Earth = Solid Water = Liquid Air = Gas Fire = Plasma (a little tenuous, but can be made) My next step is to add "electrons" in the form of Electricity Electricity = electrons/electric charge = "energy" (not in the sense of Positive/Negative energy, but just "energy") I might then derive the following: Acid = Liquid plus "Negative Electricity" ("Lewis acids" try to "rip electrons away, implying that they have a surplus of protons, hence they are in a real sense the "opposite" of electricity) Now, I need to figure out how to derive explanations for: Cold Force Sonic I could make a (tenuous) argument that Sonic = Gas plus Energy (Sound Waves) Now, I go "metaphysical" - "Earth/Solid" is the form matter takes when it is in the state of least energy, so to further "drain" it of energy makes it palpable cold... Cold = Solid plus Negative Energy Similarly, I resort to metaphysical argument that "Fire/Plasma", the highest energy state, can somehow be channelled into an "infinite potential wall" through which nothing can pass (i.e., you must have more energy than the plasma to pass through, and I can increase the plasma's energy to infinity) by adding energy... Force = Plasma plus Energy This has some interesting implications... to review Earth = Solid Water = Liquid Air = Gas Fire = Plasma Electricity = Energy We have a set of "preferred associations" to get the other elemental damage types: Cold = Solid + Negative Energy ("un-Electricity, if you will) Acid = Liquid + Negative Energy Sonic = Gas + Energy Force = Plasma + Energy This of course leaves four "other" combinations... Solid + Energy = Slashing/Bludgeoning/Piercing Liquid + Energy = Bases (which wind up being similar in their destructive effects to acids) Gas + Negative Energy = Silence Plasma + Negative Energy = Teleport/Plane Shift (after all, the opposite of an "impassable wall" would be the "portal to anywhere") More mixing could yield Solid + Liquid = Amorphous stuff like Mud/Shapechange Liquid + Gas = Vapor/Mist Gas + Plasma = ??? Not quite sure where I'm going with all of this, but thought it was interesting enough to throw out there. Still working out how to add Positive/Negative Energy (as in Healing and Necromantic energies). Regardless, I think I have hit quite a few of the "typical" descriptors in this mental exercise. Other things I have thought about - trying to add dimensionality (x, y, z, t, meta - meta represents a "higher awareness" such as that granted by divination spells) to the mix. But when I add that many axes I find I'm up to 8 axes: x y z t meta elemental state energy (lightning) positive/negative (healing/undead) energy ...and that gets really hard for me to visualize. --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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