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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 1725198" data-attributes="member: 2804">Lets clarify a few things. A few of you use the word "Epic" to refer to a particular play style. Such as a campaign where the PC are extremely powerful heroes renowned throughout the world.To me "epic" is simply levels above 20 and the play style you refer to is "mythic". But thats all semantics. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I have noticed that that of everyone who dislikes the epic level rules, they fall into three categories:1) They tried the ELH with "mythic" play and discovered it doesn't work well.2) They read the ELH and decided they didn't like, but don't actually have any facts to back up their opinion.3) They tried to use the ELH but were not willing to scale NPC's to match the epic PCs.Most of you who didn't like the ELH are lacking when it comes to specific factual examples of imbalanced rules. I challenge any of you to provide a specific example of poor game mechanics or an imbalance in the rules that cannot be rectified by scaling NPCs or monsters. And I already concede that epic spells don't work, so that doesn't count.Simply put, almost all of you who had trouble using the ELH, had those problems because you didn't scale NPC power, monsters, or challenges. Trying to run 20+ level PCs in a low-level world (i.e. mythic play) will fail every single time.I concede that the ELH doesn't work with mythic play (you have to scale NPCs and Monsters). And I concede that the epic spells need work.But the ELH works wonderfully once you understand that you have to scale NPCs, monsters, and challenges.</blockquote>

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