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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1379205" data-attributes="member: 177">Anecdotal evidence, unfortunately.  A couple of old folks do not a movement make.  Same for your personal experience with many different sorts of people liking the show.  We're talking about a market with 280+ million potential viewers, right?  The few folks a particular person knows aren't statistically relevant to such a large population, on top of them probably being a somewhat slanted sample for not being chosen randomly. Sorry to break it to you, but I've made no argument to the contrary.Take a look - I've not said that Buffy didn't have wide appeal.  I've not said it wasn't mainstream.  I thought your support and evidence were weak, but that doesn't mean I disagree with the basic premise.I actually think that Buffy got as close to "mainstream" as genre shows get, perhaps third only to Star Trek: The Next Generation and The X-Files.  I'm not sure exactly how mainstream that is, though, because the term is poorly defined.  It seems to me that "mainstream" isn't about what's in the show, or it's history, but instead is about who watches the show, and how much the show penetrates popular culture, and how much it influences the medium in which it operates. DVD sales are a poor indicator - you can (and frequently do) get very good DVD sales from a small, rabid following.  I hear Firefly is selling pretty darned well - well enough to stand as partial support for taking the show to the silver screen.  But Firefly was hardly mainstream.Hm.  I must reiterate that I said no such thing.  It serves no purpose for me at all.  It serves my intellectual curiosity, and perhaps the discussion as a whole, to engage in a sidetrack on what qualifies as "mainstream".</blockquote>

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