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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1173628" data-attributes="member: 12680">Actually, if I understand it correctly, the total would be -4 as long as the enhancements were of different types and the penalties were from different sources.Enhancements only stack if they are not of the same type.  If they are of the same type, you take the largest one.Penalties always stack unless they are from the same spell or effect.The change was made because you always stacked things with each other in 3.0, while in 3.5 you generally don't stack things that are of the same type.  While they could have still just added "penalties always stack with each other," they decided to make it less confusing by removing the type from penalties.  Otherwise I am sure we would have heard many more questions on the issue.</blockquote>