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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4985990" data-attributes="member: 22779">Aus Snow - I realize where I went wrong and it's totally my fault.  As usual, I overstated my case and then got wrapped up in trying to defend the indefensible.  My bad.Allow me to restate my point, and please ignore my earlier stupidity.What jim pinto calls Renaissance era games, are characterized by fairly low (and sometimes REALLY low) production values.  Take even b&w softcovers.  I've got my Moldvay Basic D&D book here.  It's stapled in the center.  That's how low the production values were back then.  That's certainly not the only book you'll see that in.  I know my Villains and Vigillantes book and I'm pretty sure my Star Frontiers books were also stapled.  Compare to now where even fairly low rent soft covers are perfect bound.  ((Is that the right term?  I think it is, but, if I'm wrong, I mean that they are glued, not stapled.))That's what I mean about the pretty large change in production values.Battletech makes a perfect case in point.  My original Battletech books are unfortunately lost to me, but, IIRC, the core books in the boxed set (not the tech manuals) were soft cover and stapled together.  Totally black and white with almost no art.Compare to the new Battletech books.  Full color books, perfect bound.  Catalyst is also doing the whole "beta release" thing for their newest books as well.  Buy the pdf, critique the game and they'll edit from actual play.  Something Pathfinder has also done to great effect.The process of getting a game onto the shelves today is very different from pre-White Wolf days.  I guess that was the basic point I was trying to get across (and doing it very badly).</blockquote>

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