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Message: <blockquote data-quote="perivas" data-source="post: 388802" data-attributes="member: 2746">I'm not quite sure that your accessment is correct.  Let's talk a look at the 50th level example.  Okay, so the save bonus for a 50th level character is around +30.Now, let's look at the caster's DC at 50th level.  Given that the defender did not up their defensive stat, but saved their ability score increases for their own purposes.  So, at 50th level, the caster has a 30 in the ability score of choice (18 + 50/4 = 30).  That's a +10 to DC.  Now the 50th level caster has 19th level spells, as he has level 9 at 20th and plus 1/3 thereafter.  That makes the DCs for the highest level spell for the 50th level caster, without feats to be 39 (10+19 for level of spell+10 for ability score).  This is not much different than a 1st level caster against a 1st level defender without high stats.</blockquote>