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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5762157" data-attributes="member: 2067">I totally agree. Those things aren't the end of the problem, though, they're just the beginning.And it's entirely possible to play 4e in a way that doesn't resemble those statements (or the rules that support them). But that is because a good group is system agnostic. A good group can run any game and have fun with it. Mike Mearls probably runs a good game of FATAL. It's a difficult argument to say "4e is a good game because it's possible to run good games with it," because it's possible to run good games without ANYTHING. It's faint praise at best. By the same token, of course, you can't really say "4e is a bad game because it's possible to run bad games with it." Bad games can come even from genius systems.Honestly, if we're looking to shore up the industry as a whole, that's where the work needs to be done: to create good gaming groups. IMO, one of the best ways to create good gaming groups was ideas like the OGL, which enabled anyone to grab the basic rules for free, and allowed small publishers to aim for any conceivable niche, giving every group of every conceivable predilection something for them. The Book of Erotic Fantasy wasn't for me or my group, but it was probably for SOMEONE, for SOMEONE's group, and if it helped make their own game better, well, that's pretty awesome.</blockquote>