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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 5260385" data-attributes="member: 65152">Here's something fun to think about mkill...a friend of mine (who is a 4e DM - I have my own group, but sometimes I can get free of the wife and play in his game) made the assertion last week to me and at his game that the reason for "Essentials" is that WotC made a huge blunder and now they're trying to recoup some massive financial losses.  Which of course means that "Essentials" is 4.5.  He didn't want to debate it and I simply went on the record as disagreeing with his position.For those that say "Essentials is 4.5" what I'd really like to know is what exact change (or set of changes) makes it 4.5?  For me, in order to claim that we now have 4.5 you'd have to break backwards compatibility.  The best way I can describe this is to use Windows (and software because hopefully people on the interwebs will be able to grok it).  If you had some great DOS based game that ran fine under Win95 and Win98, but doesn't run under XP then the update to XP from Win98 would be equivalent to the 3.0 -> 3.5 changeover because you can no longer use your software (without making some changes).Since we obviously can't agree on what constitutes 4.5 then logically we are all using a different standard to determine what exactly 4.5 is.  So what say you?And Terramotus I get exactly what you are saying, but you need to be pointing at the errata as published and saying "this is 4.5" instead of "Essentials".  However errata, for me, does not break backwards compatibility so will never amount to a new version.  It's akin to software patches and everyone gets those, but doesn't suddenly say that XP isn't XP anymore because of some patch or fix.  You might mention that it's XP SP1 for what new features will work with it and such, but the new added features have nothing to do with it still working with stuff it already worked with.</blockquote>

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