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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4990905" data-attributes="member: 65637">BS.&nbsp; Handbooks always assume for a conservative DM.&nbsp; Cite some examples, please.Hold up.Sounds like the problem isn't with the guide.It sounds like the problem is that the class isn't well built, and is contrary to itself.If you have to choose between being good against the class design, and being bad and in the class design, then the problem isn't with the handbook that points out the bloody flaws.It's saying &quot;Hey, these paragon paths are better then the Avenger ones.&quot;&nbsp; And that's all it's saying.The&nbsp; little &quot;If you really have to be an ACTUAL Avenger&quot; part comes from you.Your attributing things to the handbooks that aren't there.&nbsp; More then that, you're attributing a purpose to the handbooks that aren't there.The handbooks aren't there to tell you the fluff of the class.&nbsp; The handbooks aren't there to tell you how to roleplay the class.&nbsp; The handbooks aren't there to tell you how to create your character concept.&nbsp; The handbooks are there to look at the game logically and help you choose the best powers for your archtype.In other words?&nbsp; The handbooks fit 4e to a T.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 4990905, member: 65637"] BS. Handbooks always assume for a conservative DM. Cite some examples, please. Hold up. Sounds like the problem isn't with the guide. It sounds like the problem is that the class isn't well built, and is contrary to itself. If you have to choose between being good against the class design, and being bad and in the class design, then the problem isn't with the handbook that points out the bloody flaws. It's saying "Hey, these paragon paths are better then the Avenger ones." And that's [I]all[/I] it's saying. The little "If you really have to be an ACTUAL Avenger" part comes from you. Your attributing things to the handbooks that aren't there. More then that, you're attributing a purpose to the handbooks that aren't there. The handbooks aren't there to tell you the fluff of the class. The handbooks aren't there to tell you how to roleplay the class. The handbooks aren't there to tell you how to create your character concept. The handbooks are there to look at the game logically and help you choose the best powers for your archtype. In other words? The handbooks fit 4e to a T. [/QUOTE]

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