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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5257711" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>Or the regular fighter that gets Punishing Charge (Encounter 1), which damages every enemy that takes an OA against you equal to con and does 1[W]+strength+con damage. </p><p></p><p>Oh and did you forget about threatening rush, which is a fighter at-will you can use as a melee basic attack when charging? Not to mention it handily marks each creature adjacent to you at the end of the charge. So your statement isn't even true.</p><p></p><p>Not that fighters usually have poor MBAs by any stretch, given that their opportunity attacks get + wisdom to hit and so they have good incentive to boost their OAs considerably. So making sure you have a solid melee basic attack is not off any regular fighters agenda to begin with. Regular fighters have tons of options to handle this, while what options - oh wait the knight doesn't have any. He just loses access to his <em>at-will</em> powers instantly. Or he could action point to change a minor benefit to another minor benefit. Doesn't seem like a good choice though and could be easily frustrating.</p><p></p><p>You seem to have utterly missed the point though, because a dazed fighter doesn't suddenly lose access to ALL his at-wills bar whatever he used last turn. That's far worse than just using your already decent MBA on a charge instead of an at-will (where you can in fact have an at-will that works on a charge, defeating your entire point anyway). Not to mention, the regular fighter could charge and make an MBA, action point and dump another at-will/encounter/daily into that creature. The knight, well he can action point to change his stance. Whoopee.</p><p></p><p>Edit: You also incorrectly assume that he can charge an enemy and use something that will actually be useful. Having to charge an enemy with cleave on is pretty worthless - especially given you have the pretty rotten choice of wasting your entire turn changing to a more useful stance or attacking. Meaning that very often, the knight can end up being no better - perhaps in fact <em>worse</em> off - than the fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5257711, member: 78116"] Or the regular fighter that gets Punishing Charge (Encounter 1), which damages every enemy that takes an OA against you equal to con and does 1[W]+strength+con damage. Oh and did you forget about threatening rush, which is a fighter at-will you can use as a melee basic attack when charging? Not to mention it handily marks each creature adjacent to you at the end of the charge. So your statement isn't even true. Not that fighters usually have poor MBAs by any stretch, given that their opportunity attacks get + wisdom to hit and so they have good incentive to boost their OAs considerably. So making sure you have a solid melee basic attack is not off any regular fighters agenda to begin with. Regular fighters have tons of options to handle this, while what options - oh wait the knight doesn't have any. He just loses access to his [i]at-will[/i] powers instantly. Or he could action point to change a minor benefit to another minor benefit. Doesn't seem like a good choice though and could be easily frustrating. You seem to have utterly missed the point though, because a dazed fighter doesn't suddenly lose access to ALL his at-wills bar whatever he used last turn. That's far worse than just using your already decent MBA on a charge instead of an at-will (where you can in fact have an at-will that works on a charge, defeating your entire point anyway). Not to mention, the regular fighter could charge and make an MBA, action point and dump another at-will/encounter/daily into that creature. The knight, well he can action point to change his stance. Whoopee. Edit: You also incorrectly assume that he can charge an enemy and use something that will actually be useful. Having to charge an enemy with cleave on is pretty worthless - especially given you have the pretty rotten choice of wasting your entire turn changing to a more useful stance or attacking. Meaning that very often, the knight can end up being no better - perhaps in fact [i]worse[/i] off - than the fighter. [/QUOTE]
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