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The Essentials Thief: Escaping from Light Blade Hell
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<blockquote data-quote="Mentat55" data-source="post: 5402166" data-attributes="member: 14840"><p>I don't really have a problem with allowing rogues to use other weapons -- I think a feat is a reasonable cost, though. With the various Weapon Finesse features, thieves have an incentive to use thief weapons, and there is a lot of synergistic light blade feat support (Light Blade Expertise, Nimble Blade, Deft Blade).</p><p></p><p>At level 30, a thief with a 26 Dex, a +6 weapon, Weapon Focus, and Backstabber will do the following on a sneak attack (I've included the slayer as a rough comparison, I know that there are other considerations I am neglecting):</p><p>Dagger (+ Light Blade Expertise): 2d4 + 25 + 5d8 = 52.5 avg, critical 6d6 + 73 (avg 92)</p><p>Rapier (+ Light Blade Expertise): 2d8 + 25 + 5d8 = 56.5 avg, critical 6d6 + 81 (102)</p><p>Fullblade: 2d12 + 17 + 5d8 = 52.5 avg, critical 6d6 + 3d12 + 81 (avg 121.5)</p><p>Fullblade (slayer with 26 Dex) = 2d12 + 33 = 46 avg, critical 6d6 + 3d12 + 57 (avg 97.5) </p><p></p><p>Assuming a 70% hit rate with the fullblade (75% hit rate with light blades because of Thief Weapon Talent) and a 10% crit rate (though it would be expensive for a thief to get Heavy Blade Mastery), the average damage works out to:</p><p></p><p>Dagger -- 43.3</p><p>Rapier -- 46.9</p><p>Fullblade -- 43.7</p><p>Fullblade (slayer with Weapon Talent) -- 39.7</p><p></p><p>This neglects feat benefits like having Nimble Blade and Deft Blade, which is an awesome feat for a thief (attack Reflex with basic attacks with a light blade? yes please!).</p><p></p><p>Since the thief's Power Strike equivalent is Backstab, which does not depend on [W] size, then the impact is minimal. This might be a bigger deal for the PHB1 rogue, since it is power-based.</p><p></p><p>Basically, I think using any weapon with Sneak Attack is fine. Using any weapon with rogue powers would require a more in-depth look.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mentat55, post: 5402166, member: 14840"] I don't really have a problem with allowing rogues to use other weapons -- I think a feat is a reasonable cost, though. With the various Weapon Finesse features, thieves have an incentive to use thief weapons, and there is a lot of synergistic light blade feat support (Light Blade Expertise, Nimble Blade, Deft Blade). At level 30, a thief with a 26 Dex, a +6 weapon, Weapon Focus, and Backstabber will do the following on a sneak attack (I've included the slayer as a rough comparison, I know that there are other considerations I am neglecting): Dagger (+ Light Blade Expertise): 2d4 + 25 + 5d8 = 52.5 avg, critical 6d6 + 73 (avg 92) Rapier (+ Light Blade Expertise): 2d8 + 25 + 5d8 = 56.5 avg, critical 6d6 + 81 (102) Fullblade: 2d12 + 17 + 5d8 = 52.5 avg, critical 6d6 + 3d12 + 81 (avg 121.5) Fullblade (slayer with 26 Dex) = 2d12 + 33 = 46 avg, critical 6d6 + 3d12 + 57 (avg 97.5) Assuming a 70% hit rate with the fullblade (75% hit rate with light blades because of Thief Weapon Talent) and a 10% crit rate (though it would be expensive for a thief to get Heavy Blade Mastery), the average damage works out to: Dagger -- 43.3 Rapier -- 46.9 Fullblade -- 43.7 Fullblade (slayer with Weapon Talent) -- 39.7 This neglects feat benefits like having Nimble Blade and Deft Blade, which is an awesome feat for a thief (attack Reflex with basic attacks with a light blade? yes please!). Since the thief's Power Strike equivalent is Backstab, which does not depend on [W] size, then the impact is minimal. This might be a bigger deal for the PHB1 rogue, since it is power-based. Basically, I think using any weapon with Sneak Attack is fine. Using any weapon with rogue powers would require a more in-depth look. [/QUOTE]
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