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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 6157267" data-attributes="member: 27160">Right - or, perhaps more commonly in RPGs, taking a situation where no rules exist and finagling things such that the new rules the GM invents on the spot (as they are obliged and empowered to do) suit your purposes.That wasn't where the discussion with me came from - indeed, it's a bit of a diversion from the original thread topic - because if it was we would have no difference of opinion, here.My original post made it quite clear (I thought) that I don't regard SoD as &quot;unethical&quot;, or even as undesirable, in itself. I just don't think it fits well in a game of D&amp;D, given the type of game that I come to D&amp;D for. You then claimed that the D&amp;D SoD don't count/aren't what I meant/somehow get a pass - specifically for 3e D&amp;D, as far as I can make out - so SoD in D&amp;D must be OK. My position is that you haven't convinced me one whit away from my original opinion - which was that I don't particularly like SoD in D&amp;D because I think it clashes with what the rest of the game offers to me. Others, obviously, may differ.For other games - which don't have other D&amp;D mechanisms such as hit points and classes and levels - SoD-type instances can work just fine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 6157267, member: 27160"] Right - or, perhaps more commonly in RPGs, taking a situation where no rules exist and finagling things such that the new rules the GM invents on the spot (as they are obliged and empowered to do) suit your purposes. That wasn't where the discussion with me came from - indeed, it's a bit of a diversion from the original thread topic - because if it was we would have no difference of opinion, here. My original post made it quite clear (I thought) that I don't regard SoD as "unethical", or even as undesirable, in itself. I just don't think it fits well in a game of D&D, given the type of game that I come to D&D for. You then claimed that the D&D SoD don't count/aren't what I meant/somehow get a pass - specifically for 3e D&D, as far as I can make out - so SoD in D&D must be OK. My position is that you haven't convinced me one whit away from my original opinion - which was that I don't particularly like SoD in D&D because I think it clashes with what the rest of the game offers to me. Others, obviously, may differ. For other games - which don't have other D&D mechanisms such as hit points and classes and levels - SoD-type instances can work just fine. [/QUOTE]

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