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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6158056" data-attributes="member: 6681948">To some extent, we are back to the &quot;HD as rarity&quot; issue embedded in the Monster ID rules.&nbsp; I believe there is a case to be made for identifying some creatures which are not &quot;monsters&quot; for this purpose.&nbsp; That said, would each PC be able to look at a creature charging from the underbrush and ID it as a black or brown bear, male or female, and whether it is full grown, aged or just a cub?&nbsp; And which animals?&nbsp; Does that character equally recognize a narwhal, an elephant and the difference between an African or Indian elephant, or batrachian or dromedary camel?Whether one agrees with them or not, the Knowledge rules set out how creature identification is resolved.&nbsp; If you want to vary that (&quot;everyone knows what a goblin is&quot;), then you are doing just that - varying the rules.We've also deviated a long way from &quot;Everyone knows Banshees kill you with a scream that Death Ward can block&quot;.As cited numerous times above, common knowledge is clearly defined as &quot;anything that has a DC of 10 or below&quot;.&nbsp; Identifying a monster is clearly defined as having a DC of 10 + HD.&nbsp; I think that's described pretty explicitly, assuming one takes the time to actually read the words.&nbsp; The bigger issue is probably the lack of re-rolls.&nbsp; Perhaps a character who has lots of time to sit back and reflect should be permitted a &quot;take 20&quot; on the knowledge check.&nbsp; Oh, NOW I remember!&nbsp; Just like we sometimes draw a blank on someone's name when we see them at the store, only to remember when we wake up at 3 AM.No.&nbsp; The odds of the coin flipping heads or tails is always 50/50.&nbsp; The odds of four consecutive flips coming up heads is 6.25%.&nbsp; If you have flipped 3 heads, the odds of the fourth flip being heads is 50%.If the PC needs to roll 11+ to save, and has already saved 3 times, he still has a 50% chance of making the fourth save.&nbsp; He's beaten the odds on the first three.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6158056, member: 6681948"] To some extent, we are back to the "HD as rarity" issue embedded in the Monster ID rules. I believe there is a case to be made for identifying some creatures which are not "monsters" for this purpose. That said, would each PC be able to look at a creature charging from the underbrush and ID it as a black or brown bear, male or female, and whether it is full grown, aged or just a cub? And which animals? Does that character equally recognize a narwhal, an elephant and the difference between an African or Indian elephant, or batrachian or dromedary camel? Whether one agrees with them or not, the Knowledge rules set out how creature identification is resolved. If you want to vary that ("everyone knows what a goblin is"), then you are doing just that - [B]varying[/B] the rules. We've also deviated a long way from "Everyone knows Banshees kill you with a scream that Death Ward can block". As cited numerous times above, common knowledge is clearly defined as "anything that has a DC of 10 or below". Identifying a monster is clearly defined as having a DC of 10 + HD. I think that's described pretty explicitly, assuming one takes the time to actually read the words. The bigger issue is probably the lack of re-rolls. Perhaps a character who has lots of time to sit back and reflect should be permitted a "take 20" on the knowledge check. Oh, NOW I remember! Just like we sometimes draw a blank on someone's name when we see them at the store, only to remember when we wake up at 3 AM. No. The odds of the coin flipping heads or tails is always 50/50. The odds of four consecutive flips coming up heads is 6.25%. If you have flipped 3 heads, the odds of the fourth flip being heads is 50%. If the PC needs to roll 11+ to save, and has already saved 3 times, he still has a 50% chance of making the fourth save. He's beaten the odds on the first three. [/QUOTE]

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