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<blockquote data-quote="StAlda" data-source="post: 6080603" data-attributes="member: 16745">1st EdWisdom: Wisdom is a composite term for the character’s enlightenment,judgement, wile, will power, and (to a certain extent) intuitiveness.Charismo: Charisma is the measure of the character's combined physicalattractiveness, persuasiveness, and personal magnetism.5th Ed.Wisdom: Wisdom reflects how attuned you are to your surroundings, representing general perceptiveness, intuition, insight, and other, less tangible senses.Charisma: Charisma measures your ability to influence others and the strength of your personality.&nbsp; A high Charisma suggests a strong sense of purpose, whereas a low Charisma indicates a less self-‐assured personality.So what Ability Score do we use for the character’s enlightenment,judgement, wile, will power?&nbsp; Perception has taken over.What Ability Score do we use for the character's combined physicalattractiveness, persuasiveness, and personal magnetism.&nbsp; Self-confidence has taaken over.The 800 lb gorilla in the room may be we need 8 ability scores.&nbsp; Break Perception out into its own and return Wisdom to it original intent.&nbsp; With Charisma, leave it with its new definition, but add an Appearance score.&nbsp; I think the Wisdom/Perception breakout is rather self evident.&nbsp; Anyone who has ever gone to a bar (or any other social setting) can see what a person's appearance does to those around them - both positive and negative.&nbsp; They may have low 5e Charisma, but it will take time to figure that out (unless it's REALLY low).&nbsp; Strength of personality is separate from appearance, just look at Hollywood or inversely your favorite politician.&nbsp; Chances are Charisma and Appearance do not meet.&nbsp;I very much doubt WotC will go to 8 attributes, but what do you think?&nbsp; Good enough for a houserule?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StAlda, post: 6080603, member: 16745"] 1st Ed Wisdom: Wisdom is a composite term for the character’s enlightenment, judgement, wile, will power, and (to a certain extent) intuitiveness. Charismo: Charisma is the measure of the character's combined physical attractiveness, persuasiveness, and personal magnetism. 5th Ed. Wisdom: Wisdom reflects how attuned you are to your surroundings, representing general perceptiveness, intuition, insight, and other, less tangible senses. Charisma: Charisma measures your ability to influence others and the strength of your personality. A high Charisma suggests a strong sense of purpose, whereas a low Charisma indicates a less self-‐assured personality. So what Ability Score do we use for the character’s enlightenment, judgement, wile, will power? Perception has taken over. What Ability Score do we use for the character's combined physical attractiveness, persuasiveness, and personal magnetism. Self-confidence has taaken over. The 800 lb gorilla in the room may be we need 8 ability scores. Break Perception out into its own and return Wisdom to it original intent. With Charisma, leave it with its new definition, but add an Appearance score. I think the Wisdom/Perception breakout is rather self evident. Anyone who has ever gone to a bar (or any other social setting) can see what a person's appearance does to those around them - both positive and negative. They may have low 5e Charisma, but it will take time to figure that out (unless it's REALLY low). Strength of personality is separate from appearance, just look at Hollywood or inversely your favorite politician. Chances are Charisma and Appearance do not meet. I very much doubt WotC will go to 8 attributes, but what do you think? Good enough for a houserule? [/QUOTE]

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