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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8151219" data-attributes="member: 6790260">IMO, the only fair way to do it, since some races simply don't have subraces, is to release two lists, one only with agglomerated, one only with subraces (with Dragonborn having &quot;baseline,&quot; Ravenite, and Draconblood, or whatever the Critical Role ones are called). Then people can make their own hybrid lists if&nbsp; they like.Makes you wonder if they wouldn't have topped even Elves if they were actually GOOD.It's certainly possible, but it's hard to tell. Elves and half-elves are a perennial favorite for both mechanics and thematics. They're arguably the nearest to looking the same as humans, and they're generally held to be fairly attractive. And the combined Elf probably edges out the (arguably) stronger half-elf due to theme and look, as others have noted with the greater internal variation between wood and high elves.Yep. People act like this was a sudden development but it really was in the works since at least 3e's launch, and arguably grew out of the 2e draconian. Guess I owe a libation to Dragonlance.It still surprises me how reluctant D&amp;D authors are to make playable werewolves and the like. The demand is there. Video games do it all the time.Could be very interesting if actually well-designed and properly conducted. Unfortunately, I don't trust WotC to know its butt from its elbow when it comes to survey design.You forgot an edition (not that I'm surprised), but it did very slightly continue the pattern. 4e: 51-57 in (4'3&quot; - 4'9&quot;)Though you could argue that 5e, in trying for a looser and more &quot;word-based&quot; style, simply took the 4e measurements and expanded them in both directions to account for unusually tall/short dwarves, e.g. 4'11&quot; is pretty much 5 feet, and 4'1&quot; is pretty much 4 feet, even though that's only two inches outside the usual range from 4e, so just shorthanding that to &quot;four to five feet&quot; is reasonable. If the pattern continues into 6e, we'd be looking at dwarves with a minimum typical height (4'5&quot;-4'7&quot;) equivalent to their AD&amp;D maximum typical height (4'6&quot;).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8151219, member: 6790260"] IMO, the only fair way to do it, since some races simply don't [I]have[/I] subraces, is to release two lists, one only with agglomerated, one only with subraces (with Dragonborn having "baseline," Ravenite, and Draconblood, or whatever the Critical Role ones are called). Then people can make their own hybrid lists if they like. Makes you wonder if they wouldn't have topped even Elves if they were actually GOOD. It's certainly possible, but it's hard to tell. Elves and half-elves are a perennial favorite for both mechanics and thematics. They're arguably the nearest to looking the same as humans, and they're generally held to be fairly attractive. And the combined Elf probably edges out the (arguably) stronger half-elf due to theme and look, as others have noted with the greater internal variation between wood and high elves. Yep. People act like this was a sudden development but it really was in the works since at least 3e's launch, and arguably grew out of the 2e draconian. Guess I owe a libation to Dragonlance. It still surprises me how reluctant D&D authors are to make playable werewolves and the like. The demand is there. Video games do it all the time. Could be very interesting if actually well-designed and properly conducted. Unfortunately, I don't trust WotC to know its butt from its elbow when it comes to survey design. You forgot an edition (not that I'm surprised), but it did very slightly continue the pattern. 4e: 51-57 in (4'3" - 4'9") Though you could argue that 5e, in trying for a looser and more "word-based" style, simply took the 4e measurements and expanded them in both directions to account for unusually tall/short dwarves, e.g. 4'11" is pretty much 5 feet, and 4'1" is pretty much 4 feet, even though that's only two inches outside the usual range from 4e, so just shorthanding that to "four to five feet" is reasonable. If the pattern continues into 6e, we'd be looking at dwarves with a [I]minimum[/I] typical height (4'5"-4'7") equivalent to their AD&D [I]maximum[/I] typical height (4'6"). [/QUOTE]

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