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<blockquote data-quote="Messageboard Golem" data-source="post: 2011306" data-attributes="member: 18387"><p>In the course of my consumership in the d20 market, there has been this ever-present underlying idea that all publishers have at least a minimal desire to publish good products so that they can make money. From this implicit suggestion, one could reasonably conclude that there's a certain understandable and common goal among game publishers to put out only those products which are enjoyable, helpful, original, and/or well-produced, and take those products lacking in any such area and improve them.</p><p></p><p>The Fantastic Adventure truly redefined my paradigm of the publishing business model.</p><p></p><p>Apparently, whoever's in charge at Troll Lord games is taking the middle-school-gym-class approach to product development: start out really half-a** and then start putting your back into it, and you'll get a better grade for effort. No, even that fails to excuse The Fantastic Adventure.</p><p></p><p>This product is a number of bad things, and this product is NOT a number of good things, but most notably THIS PRODUCT IS NOT D20. It's some kind of open, generic, Sam's-Choice-quality system called Sword and Sorcery, which may have been appealing or at least acceptable back when your dice came with a crayon.</p><p></p><p>The back of the book promises unique adventure that will surprise and delight the seasoned gamer. Hah!</p><p></p><p>This book has precisely zero value. There is nothing even remotely original about any of it. Neither the plot nor the NPC's could be any more trite and kitschy. As far as gameplay goes, Caves of Shadow blows it away. I think there are maybe five pages of adventure content. Even the art stinks, downright painful to look at.</p><p></p><p>The only thing even remotely likeable about this book is that it's a full-sized book for five dollars. Eight pages long, but the dimensions are pretty big.</p><p></p><p>The book retails for five dollars, yet comparably priced qualities of toilet paper are much more plentiful and comfortable.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What's really shocking is that nobody has reviewed this book yet. The Horror Beneath had, like, six thousand reviews and this one hasnt' been touched! Well, I'm glad to get my foot in the door.</p><p></p><p>Don't buy it for any reason at all. In fact, no, scratch that; buy it! See how much you learn about the publishing business!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Messageboard Golem, post: 2011306, member: 18387"] In the course of my consumership in the d20 market, there has been this ever-present underlying idea that all publishers have at least a minimal desire to publish good products so that they can make money. From this implicit suggestion, one could reasonably conclude that there's a certain understandable and common goal among game publishers to put out only those products which are enjoyable, helpful, original, and/or well-produced, and take those products lacking in any such area and improve them. The Fantastic Adventure truly redefined my paradigm of the publishing business model. Apparently, whoever's in charge at Troll Lord games is taking the middle-school-gym-class approach to product development: start out really half-a** and then start putting your back into it, and you'll get a better grade for effort. No, even that fails to excuse The Fantastic Adventure. This product is a number of bad things, and this product is NOT a number of good things, but most notably THIS PRODUCT IS NOT D20. It's some kind of open, generic, Sam's-Choice-quality system called Sword and Sorcery, which may have been appealing or at least acceptable back when your dice came with a crayon. The back of the book promises unique adventure that will surprise and delight the seasoned gamer. Hah! This book has precisely zero value. There is nothing even remotely original about any of it. Neither the plot nor the NPC's could be any more trite and kitschy. As far as gameplay goes, Caves of Shadow blows it away. I think there are maybe five pages of adventure content. Even the art stinks, downright painful to look at. The only thing even remotely likeable about this book is that it's a full-sized book for five dollars. Eight pages long, but the dimensions are pretty big. The book retails for five dollars, yet comparably priced qualities of toilet paper are much more plentiful and comfortable. What's really shocking is that nobody has reviewed this book yet. The Horror Beneath had, like, six thousand reviews and this one hasnt' been touched! Well, I'm glad to get my foot in the door. Don't buy it for any reason at all. In fact, no, scratch that; buy it! See how much you learn about the publishing business! [/QUOTE]
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