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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9578642" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>I think we're miscommunicating here.</p><p></p><p>There are two Marvel Comics characters:</p><p>1) A male Surfer, with his own backstory</p><p>2) A female Surfer, with her own backstory</p><p></p><p>The MCU movie is using the female Surfer.</p><p></p><p>The argument being made here is that the female Surfer, who already exists in the comics, should have her backstory REPLACED with the male Surfer's backstory.</p><p></p><p>Female Surfer Background: She's Empress of her planet (a female leader of her entire world). Her father had committed suicide. She's tied to Doctor Doom on earth, who is part of this movie as well. She returns back to her world after Galactus destroys the surface of the planet but not it's people and uses her power to restore life to her home planet, saving everyone. She then breaks off her engagement to the Male surfer due to her responsibilities of leading her people. It's unclear when in the MCU she'd get her powers, but in Earth X it's Galactus who gives her the Surfer powers instead of the Male Surfer.</p><p></p><p>Ditching that backstory to instead use the male Surfer backstory does not seem to serve a diverse representation better than using the female backstory. That's directly saying the female Surfer's backstory is less worthy of being told than the male Surfer's backstory (which, below, you repeat - so it seems you genuinely think this). Which is why I asked why that was compelling. And you just...repeated it was to be diverse.</p><p></p><p>Why the heck is the female character's backstory lessor in your mind than the male characters backstory?</p><p></p><p></p><p>How is the backstory of the female Surfer unimportant?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why do you think the MALE backstory provides better "emotional resonance out of the character" than the FEMALE backstory?</p><p></p><p>You appear to be the second person simply asserting the male backstory is somehow superior to the female backstory. And when directly asked why you just repeat that it simply is superior without any explanation as to why that might be in your mind.</p><p></p><p>I'm giving an opportunity to explain why people think that. Because, without further explanation, the words you guys are using can look like you want the character to be female FOR THE VISUAL APPEAL (the "more compelling" without further explanation and, referenced earlier by Umbran, that the movie would otherwise "be a a sausage-fest"), as if you think it's diverse to "see some women" in the movie (presumably attractive women give Umbran's description) but you don't actually care if the character HAS THE FEMALE-DRIVEN STORY BEHIND IT, but only care that the character LOOKS female (presumably hot).</p><p></p><p>Which isn't diversity to me so much as it's feeding the male gaze and desire for the movie to not be a sausage-fest, as long as it has the male's story behind it. <strong>I am going to assume it's not that</strong>, but right now the words both you and Umbran chose to describe your motives can look that way. Which is why I keep offering the opportunity to explain why you guys both seem to think the female storyline is lessor to the male storyline for...reasons?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9578642, member: 2525"] I think we're miscommunicating here. There are two Marvel Comics characters: 1) A male Surfer, with his own backstory 2) A female Surfer, with her own backstory The MCU movie is using the female Surfer. The argument being made here is that the female Surfer, who already exists in the comics, should have her backstory REPLACED with the male Surfer's backstory. Female Surfer Background: She's Empress of her planet (a female leader of her entire world). Her father had committed suicide. She's tied to Doctor Doom on earth, who is part of this movie as well. She returns back to her world after Galactus destroys the surface of the planet but not it's people and uses her power to restore life to her home planet, saving everyone. She then breaks off her engagement to the Male surfer due to her responsibilities of leading her people. It's unclear when in the MCU she'd get her powers, but in Earth X it's Galactus who gives her the Surfer powers instead of the Male Surfer. Ditching that backstory to instead use the male Surfer backstory does not seem to serve a diverse representation better than using the female backstory. That's directly saying the female Surfer's backstory is less worthy of being told than the male Surfer's backstory (which, below, you repeat - so it seems you genuinely think this). Which is why I asked why that was compelling. And you just...repeated it was to be diverse. Why the heck is the female character's backstory lessor in your mind than the male characters backstory? How is the backstory of the female Surfer unimportant? Why do you think the MALE backstory provides better "emotional resonance out of the character" than the FEMALE backstory? You appear to be the second person simply asserting the male backstory is somehow superior to the female backstory. And when directly asked why you just repeat that it simply is superior without any explanation as to why that might be in your mind. I'm giving an opportunity to explain why people think that. Because, without further explanation, the words you guys are using can look like you want the character to be female FOR THE VISUAL APPEAL (the "more compelling" without further explanation and, referenced earlier by Umbran, that the movie would otherwise "be a a sausage-fest"), as if you think it's diverse to "see some women" in the movie (presumably attractive women give Umbran's description) but you don't actually care if the character HAS THE FEMALE-DRIVEN STORY BEHIND IT, but only care that the character LOOKS female (presumably hot). Which isn't diversity to me so much as it's feeding the male gaze and desire for the movie to not be a sausage-fest, as long as it has the male's story behind it. [B]I am going to assume it's not that[/B], but right now the words both you and Umbran chose to describe your motives can look that way. Which is why I keep offering the opportunity to explain why you guys both seem to think the female storyline is lessor to the male storyline for...reasons? [/QUOTE]
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