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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3794995" data-attributes="member: 1656">That's one way to read "you can use a melee attack", but it leads to contradiction with the table.There's another way to read it, which doesn't - that is, the line is telling you what you can do when you take the Sunder action.It's similar to the line under the Attack action, "Making an attack is a standard action".  This isn't true all the time; making an attack as part of a Charge action, Full Attack action, Attack of Opportunity, or so forth is not a standard action.  But it's true in the context in which it appears - that is, in the description of the standard action, Attack.  When you are taking the Attack action, making an attack is indeed a standard action.  When you aren't taking the Attack action, making an attack might not be a standard action... but since the line is found in the description of the Attack action, it is true within the scope to which it applies.So, by the same token, it's true that 'you can use a melee attack' to damage an opponent's weapon or shield... but only in the circumstances to which that line applies.  In this case, those circumstances are "When you are taking the Sunder action".If you're taking the Sunder action - a standard action - you can use a melee attack to damage an opponent's weapon or shield.  If you're taking the Attack action, the Full Attack action, the Charge action, or an attack of opportunity, that line does not apply, so you can't use a melee attack to damage an opponent's weapon or shield.If you read the line this way, there's no conflict between text and table.  If you read it as globally applicable, then it contradicts the table.If I can read a line two ways, but one of them requires me to assume that the rules are wrong, my preference is for the other one.-Hyp.</blockquote>

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