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<blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 3811132" data-attributes="member: 48135">Of course, those other special attacks do have their own entries, on the table for &quot;action type varies&quot;.Another reading of Mr. Williams' comments is that while sunder is a melee attack, it is different from a regular melee attack since it provokes an AoO. It should therefore have its own entry in the table to clarify that. Note the use of &quot;regular melee attack&quot;, which implies sunder is a special melee attack, not a replacement for a melee attack.I don't find ad hominem attacks to be particularly convincing of anything. Are we discussing rules or other peoples' opinions of Skip Williams?Maybe he did. Then again, maybe he got it right (perhaps despite himself). I have provided an interpretation of the rules whereby he got it right. None of your comments addressed this interpretation.Sunder is a melee attack (this is what the rules say). An attack of opportunity is a melee attack. You can therefore use sunder to make an attack of opportunity. No footnote needed.You can use trip or disarm as a melee attack (per the rules), which implies replacement. Since by themselves they are not melee attacks (unlike sunder), footnote 7 is required to indicate that they can be used for an AoO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fifth Element, post: 3811132, member: 48135"] Of course, those other special attacks do have their own entries, on the table for "action type varies". Another reading of Mr. Williams' comments is that while sunder is a melee attack, it is different from a regular melee attack since it provokes an AoO. It should therefore have its own entry in the table to clarify that. Note the use of "regular melee attack", which implies sunder is a special melee attack, not a replacement for a melee attack. I don't find ad hominem attacks to be particularly convincing of anything. Are we discussing rules or other peoples' opinions of Skip Williams? Maybe he did. Then again, maybe he got it right (perhaps despite himself). I have provided an interpretation of the rules whereby he got it right. None of your comments addressed this interpretation. Sunder [I]is[/I] a melee attack (this is what the rules say). An attack of opportunity is a melee attack. You can therefore use sunder to make an attack of opportunity. No footnote needed. You can use trip or disarm [I]as[/I] a melee attack (per the rules), which implies replacement. Since by themselves they are not melee attacks (unlike sunder), footnote 7 is required to indicate that they can be used for an AoO. [/QUOTE]

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