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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 3811418" data-attributes="member: 48135">This is where the confusion lies, as I see it. Sunder is not an action that grants a melee attack. You can choose to sunder when you make a melee attack (see below). That is how I read the rules. It is included on the list of standard actions, just like a melee attack is, because it provokes an AoO, thus giving it an important difference from a regular melee attack. You can sunder as a standard action, because you can attack as a standard action. But you do not require a standard action to sunder, just as you do not require a standard action to attack.Reading this gives me "If you're making a melee attack with a slashing or bludgeoning weapon, you can strike your opponent's weapon or shield instead of your opponent. This is called sundering, and the following special rules apply." With this reading, the source of the melee attack is irrelevant. You just need to be making a melee attack.Why is this different than, say, disarm? Because you're still attacking. You're just attacking your opponent's weapon, rather than your opponent directly. Sundering is not an alternative to an attack, it is an attack.Again, I can see where the alternate interpretation comes from, but it is no more clearly right than my interpretation. The language used to describe sunder is different from the other special attacks (nothing says you can sunder "as a melee attack", for instance).</blockquote>

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