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<blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 3811637" data-attributes="member: 48135">That's your interpretation. My interpretation is, just because you can use a standard action to sunder (just like you can use a standard action to make a regular attack), doesn't mean every time you sunder you have to use a standard action. A &quot;sunder&quot; is a melee attack, used to attack an opponent's weapon or shield.Despite the fact that a melee attack is not always a standard action, it is listed as a standard action. Why can't sunder be the same?When I said &quot;attack&quot;, I meant &quot;attempt to cause damage&quot;. Starting a grapple does not cause damage, and therefore is not an attack in that sense. Trip and disarm don't cause damage by themselves. Regular melee attacks and sunders do (assuming they hit).Look, I realize that you prefer the other intepretation, but you're essentially saying &quot;you're wrong&quot; without anything to back it up. I have provided an interpretation of the rules that allows sundering on attacks of opportunity and produces no contradiction in the rules (which was claimed impossible earlier in the thread). If all you have is &quot;nope&quot; then we can let it rest, please.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fifth Element, post: 3811637, member: 48135"] That's your interpretation. My interpretation is, just because you can use a standard action to sunder (just like you can use a standard action to make a regular attack), doesn't mean every time you sunder you have to use a standard action. A "sunder" is a melee attack, used to attack an opponent's weapon or shield. Despite the fact that a melee attack is not always a standard action, it is listed as a standard action. Why can't sunder be the same? When I said "attack", I meant "attempt to cause damage". Starting a grapple does not cause damage, and therefore is not an attack in that sense. Trip and disarm don't cause damage by themselves. Regular melee attacks and sunders do (assuming they hit). Look, I realize that you prefer the other intepretation, but you're essentially saying "you're wrong" without anything to back it up. I have provided an interpretation of the rules that allows sundering on attacks of opportunity and produces no contradiction in the rules (which was claimed impossible earlier in the thread). If all you have is "nope" then we can let it rest, please. [/QUOTE]

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