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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Legildur" data-source="post: 3816757" data-attributes="member: 1258">It is my opinion that Sunder should be represented in the same way as disarm/grapple/trip IF it were to substitute for a melee attack. But the PHB does not do so, and I believe that by ignoring the 'action varies' part of the table, that you are missing a piece of the puzzle. I see where you are coming from, I just believe it to be incorrect when everything is taken into account.And if you keep restating your argument, then Beginning of the End might have some unkind words to say like he does about Hyp's restating of the same argument <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>