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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3819668" data-attributes="member: 1656">They don't list melee attack at all.  So if Sunder is simply a use of a melee attack, it should not be listed at all.  If it's something that replaces a melee attack - or a use of a melee attack that requires an entry on the table - it should be Action Type Varies.  If melee attack were listed on the table, it would be Action Type Varies.Attack (melee) is a standard action, not action type varies.  It's the standard action you take that lets you make a melee attack.  By placing Sunder in the table as a standard action, they have made Sunder the equivalent not of a melee attack, but of the Attack (melee) action.When you charge, you don't move twice your speed and then take the Attack (melee) action; you move twice your speed and then make a melee attack.  Since the table makes Sunder the equivalent of the Attack (melee) action and not the equivalent of a melee attack, you can't take the Charge action to move twice your speed and sunder.If Sunder were simply a use of a melee attack, the action you take in order to sunder when you have a standard action available would be Attack (melee), and Sunder would not appear on the table as a standard action.  If it appeared on the table at all, it would appear as Action Type Varies... just as a melee attack would if it appeared on the table.But Sunder does appear on the table as a standard action, which means that if you wish to Sunder when you only have a standard action available, you must take the Sunder action, and not the Attack (melee) action.  Since the Attack (melee) action, which grants a single melee attack, thus cannot be used to Sunder, we can see that it is not simply the availability of a melee attack that allows one to Sunder, but rather the taking of the Sunder standard action.-Hyp.</blockquote>

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