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<blockquote data-quote="amerigoV" data-source="post: 5192343">Good points. Back in 3.0, haste was brewing to be a problem. I recall pounding the hell out of my PCs with it (Ice Storm/Cone of Cold, Fireball/Fireball, etc) and saying &quot;hmmm, perhaps we should tone this spell down.&quot; That seemed to get their attention <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Interestingly enough, it ties into the other threads around &quot;who do you game with.&quot; This becomes a group dynamic question. Reasonable people that respect one another will come to an agreement all can live with (the DM should lead the discussion). Sure, inexperienced DM may still make mistakes, but a good group will understand that rules will evolved over time. That is not to say we do not have friends that can be an ass about things. But even then, if they are your friend it likely is not the first time you have dealt with their attitude. I can see where this can be very problematic if you have a group with players you do not associate with outside of gaming.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="amerigoV, post: 5192343"] Good points. Back in 3.0, haste was brewing to be a problem. I recall pounding the hell out of my PCs with it (Ice Storm/Cone of Cold, Fireball/Fireball, etc) and saying "hmmm, perhaps we should tone this spell down." That seemed to get their attention ;) Interestingly enough, it ties into the other threads around "who do you game with." This becomes a group dynamic question. Reasonable people that respect one another will come to an agreement all can live with (the DM should lead the discussion). Sure, inexperienced DM may still make mistakes, but a good group will understand that rules will evolved over time. That is not to say we do not have friends that can be an ass about things. But even then, if they are your friend it likely is not the first time you have dealt with their attitude. I can see where this can be very problematic if you have a group with players you do not associate with outside of gaming. [/QUOTE]

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