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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gez" data-source="post: 928780" data-attributes="member: 1328">Krishnat: I don't have the ELH. Thanks for the info.Qlippoth are from Armies of the Abyss. They are a bit like the Ancient Baatorian of Planescape, but on the demonic side: they were there before, but they've been pushed out of rulership by the Tanar'ri. (The whole story being that they had mastery over flesh and created all sorts of abominations, including the Tanar'ri. Eventually, the Eladrins came and kicked them severely in the butts. When the Eladrins left, the Tanar'ri rebelled against their weakened masters and drove them into hiding.)All you can know about Tzaretch is found <a href="http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/pdf/tzaretch.pdf" target="_blank">there</a>.I may start a new thread latter with CN and LN outsiders, as well as the creatures of the Far Realms. (I don't see them as fiends, myself -- IMC, they're especially freaky because they comes from outside of the cosmology. They're not supposed to even exist.)The Serge: Actually, when confronted to duplication, I just duplicated. For example, you have a Locust Demon in AoA, and another Locust Demon in CC2. That's why you see Demon Locusts at both CR 10 & 12. Similarily, you may find both Piscoloth and Piscodaemon, or both Shator and Shaggy. So Orcus is there at 28 and at 36, Juiblex both at 20 and 28, etc. List'em all, let people sort 'em out. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> The only concession I made was giving Geryon the title of "Great Serpent" (one of his nickname) rather than "Lord of the Fifth", and Moloch "Seneschal of Baalzebul" (his real station in the ToH) rather than "Lord of the Sixth".</blockquote>

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