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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DaviMMS" data-source="post: 7243260" data-attributes="member: 6871301">So... Both take SS but never use it? And the fighter uses his dice for extra damage instead of using precision to turn near misses into hits?Lets run the numbers with a fighter that actually knows what he is doingYou said 20 rounds, with 2 short rests. Lets assume that means 5 combats with 4 rounds.If we follow the DMG guidelines for AC per CR, normal characters are always hitting with at least an 8 (65% hit chance) if he uses his ASIs for rising their main stats at 4th and 8th. Considering that both have SS, the fighter has a 75% hit chance (due to his extra ASI and archery fighting style) and the ranger has 70% (only archery fighting style). With SS that becomes 50% and 45%.Lets go with the fighter firstWe have 20 rounds, so that means 46 attacks for the fighter (40 from extra attack and 6 from Action Surge)Each attack deals 1d8+4+10=18,5With 50% hit chance, that means an average of 9.25 damage per attack9.25x46=425.5Now lets use our SD. With two short rests fighters get 12. Lets consider that all are used with precision and 2/3 (8) actually turn a miss into a hit.So we get 8x18,5 = 148Figher total damage over a day= 425,5+148 = 573.5 points of damageNow lets run the ranger numbers20 rounds5 of those are 5 turns are 1st turns,  so the ranger has advantage in 10 attacks (around 0.7 hit chance), and 15 rounds are normal, so 30 attacks are at normal hit chance (0.45)Lets consider that Hunter's Mark is present on all attacks, for simplicity sake.That means the ranger is dealing 1d8+1d6+3+10=2110 attacks with advantage means21x0.7=14,7x10=147 points of damage30 normal attacks means21x0.45= 9.45 x 30 = 283.5 points of damageNow, we also have Colossus Slayer (1d8 every turn, 4,5x20=90 pointsRanger Total damage = 147+283,5+90= 520.5So, a figher that actually knows what he is doing, does over 50 points of damage over the ranger under your guidelines, even considering hunter's mark and colossus slayer triggers every single round.Now lets see an actually fully optimised fighter build (which means SS and CBE)It's hit chance is now the same as the ranger, as he now have two feats, instead of a feat and an ASI, but he now have 3 attacks per round.Each attack deals 1d6+3+10=16,516,5x0.45(hit chance)= 7.425We have 20 rounds. With 3 attacks and action surge, that means 66 attacks (action surge gives only 6 extra attacks because the 3rd attack happens on bonus actions)So 66x7.425= 490.05Now we have 8 attacks becoming hits due to precision maneuver8x16.5=132Total Damage= 622.05 points of damage.Thats over 100 points of damage more than the ranger. The fighter do have some problems in 5E, IMO. But lack of damage is not one of them.Sent from my SM-G900M using <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205" target="_blank">EN World mobile app</a></blockquote>

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