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Message: <blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7243357" data-attributes="member: 28301">Ok, so over the first 10 levels of his career the fully optimized for combat fighter get to do 50 more points of damage over a 20 round day, and then 100 more at level 11, as an archer as opposed to a ranger.  That’s also assuming you the extra damage isn’t wasted through overkill, but that’s spilt milk.The entire advantage a fighter gets is 2.5 scaling to 5 points of damage per round.  That’s it.  In almost every other situation in the game the ranger will be better and more importantly have more to do and be more involved in the game.  That’s the point.If all you are going to do is be the best in combat the advantage should be much greater, on the order of 10 points per round and then 20 points per round using your example above.  Those feats you selected as to optimize the fighter should be for the fighter only, then it would stand out on its own.Another way to look at it is this.  Let’s say the base fighter chassis is everything the fighter gets now plus the whole Champion path, then you got to choose a subclass.  That would be closer to the mark and in no way OP.   Compare to the base Paladin chassis, the base fighter plus champion path is about the same, the base Paladin might be better and more universally useful and the fighter path would be better at combat, but only a little.I am in a game now, I will try a fighter + Champion + BM subclass to see how it is at the table and post.  I do think it would be VG at combat compared to others, but then it should be, isn’t that the point of the fighter?I think what got Wizards in this spot is they needed a base class for “regular” soldiers and monsters and such that used to be filled by the warrior type.  They changed those NPCs where they don’t really fit into any class that PC get but kept that mentality.  Sent from my iPhone using <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205" target="_blank">EN World mobile app</a></blockquote>

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