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<blockquote data-quote="DaviMMS" data-source="post: 7245864" data-attributes="member: 6871301"><p>How many times does a single ability check determines of the party lives or dies? </p><p>That never happened to me and it would look like the attitude of a terrible DM, IMO.</p><p>Even if a bard or rogue with max stat and expertise rolls can still roll low, fail "and waste months of time for everyone at the table."</p><p>A "party dies if you fail" situation should only happen after multiple failed rolls and/or bad decisions.</p><p></p><p>Most checks don't have such a dramatic results and only result in minor inconveniences of you fail. There is absolutily no problem in letting even the character that dumps cha and have no proficiencies talk with the guard once in a while.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The fighter is SAD. Raise Str or Dex and you are good to go. Sure, the higher your Con the better, but that applies to everyone, put a 14 in there and you're good to go.</p><p>That leaves more than enough points to raise the mental stat you want to 16 or at least 14.</p><p></p><p>An optimized paladin will also have a 14 or 16 in Cha, and will probably only raise after he maxes Str, that means 12th level or 16th, if you want a feat.</p><p></p><p>A fighter with a 14 in cha will only be 1 point behind the Paladin with 16 for almost all levels. Even he does not uses any of his 7 ASIs to raise Cha.</p><p></p><p>A -1 is a check is enough for you to forgo your whole participation on 1 pillar of the game?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Once the fighter maxes his attack stat (Level 6 or 8, if he chooses a feat), he can put his ASIs anywhere without much damage with his effectivity.</p><p></p><p>And one of the principles of Bounded Accuracy is that check DCs do not increase with levels.</p><p>A Hard check is DC 20 whether you are level at 1st or 20th, the difference is the 20th level character is much more competent and will be able to achieve it more often.</p><p>The same applies to easy checks (DC 10) and medium checks (DC 15).</p><p></p><p>Sent from my SM-G900M using <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205" target="_blank">EN World mobile app</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DaviMMS, post: 7245864, member: 6871301"] How many times does a single ability check determines of the party lives or dies? That never happened to me and it would look like the attitude of a terrible DM, IMO. Even if a bard or rogue with max stat and expertise rolls can still roll low, fail "and waste months of time for everyone at the table." A "party dies if you fail" situation should only happen after multiple failed rolls and/or bad decisions. Most checks don't have such a dramatic results and only result in minor inconveniences of you fail. There is absolutily no problem in letting even the character that dumps cha and have no proficiencies talk with the guard once in a while. The fighter is SAD. Raise Str or Dex and you are good to go. Sure, the higher your Con the better, but that applies to everyone, put a 14 in there and you're good to go. That leaves more than enough points to raise the mental stat you want to 16 or at least 14. An optimized paladin will also have a 14 or 16 in Cha, and will probably only raise after he maxes Str, that means 12th level or 16th, if you want a feat. A fighter with a 14 in cha will only be 1 point behind the Paladin with 16 for almost all levels. Even he does not uses any of his 7 ASIs to raise Cha. A -1 is a check is enough for you to forgo your whole participation on 1 pillar of the game? Once the fighter maxes his attack stat (Level 6 or 8, if he chooses a feat), he can put his ASIs anywhere without much damage with his effectivity. And one of the principles of Bounded Accuracy is that check DCs do not increase with levels. A Hard check is DC 20 whether you are level at 1st or 20th, the difference is the 20th level character is much more competent and will be able to achieve it more often. The same applies to easy checks (DC 10) and medium checks (DC 15). Sent from my SM-G900M using [URL=http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205]EN World mobile app[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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