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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7246437" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>No really, it's not. See now we've gone into you telling me what my players do as if I don't understand my own players. They're not willfully looking at what would be optimal or prudent and doing the opposite. THEY REALLY ARE NOT CONSIDERING OPTIMIZATION. No really, don't try and refute what's happening at my table as if you know people you've never met in your life better than people I've known most of my life. They're saying things like, "What should my wizard be like" and concluding that being particularly healthy or disease proof or able to engage in activities which require a lot of endurance just isn't their concept of a wizard. They're thinking "This guy is the nerd of this world, weak, maybe he has asthma, but damn he is smart!" That's often the kind of thinking they are engaging in. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. And I think this is a matter of conflating your experiences with general experience. I think a LOT of games are not combat-fests. I have seen so many games that are role-playing first, that can go for four sessions in a row without a single combat. I know lots of players who literally would not care if their PC died as long as it was a good death that made sense in the world. This idea that people will automatically optimize - I really don't think it's as common as message boards (which tends to attract rules-focused people) lead one to believe.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're right! Sorry [MENTION=6688277]Sadras[/MENTION]. I meant [MENTION=6775031]Saelorn[/MENTION] who said this:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7246437, member: 2525"] No really, it's not. See now we've gone into you telling me what my players do as if I don't understand my own players. They're not willfully looking at what would be optimal or prudent and doing the opposite. THEY REALLY ARE NOT CONSIDERING OPTIMIZATION. No really, don't try and refute what's happening at my table as if you know people you've never met in your life better than people I've known most of my life. They're saying things like, "What should my wizard be like" and concluding that being particularly healthy or disease proof or able to engage in activities which require a lot of endurance just isn't their concept of a wizard. They're thinking "This guy is the nerd of this world, weak, maybe he has asthma, but damn he is smart!" That's often the kind of thinking they are engaging in. I disagree. And I think this is a matter of conflating your experiences with general experience. I think a LOT of games are not combat-fests. I have seen so many games that are role-playing first, that can go for four sessions in a row without a single combat. I know lots of players who literally would not care if their PC died as long as it was a good death that made sense in the world. This idea that people will automatically optimize - I really don't think it's as common as message boards (which tends to attract rules-focused people) lead one to believe. You're right! Sorry [MENTION=6688277]Sadras[/MENTION]. I meant [MENTION=6775031]Saelorn[/MENTION] who said this: [/QUOTE]
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