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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alexemplar" data-source="post: 7253725" data-attributes="member: 6874182">and the Ranger is also a very popular class- nearly as much as the classic Fighter/Rogue/Cleric/Wizard.  It's the first class that's going to undergo a major revision.  Popularity doesn't mean nobody has an issue with a class.    Entirely untrue.  Back in 3e, people complaining about Fighter blandness and martial/caster imbalance got us stuff like the Swasbuckler, Knight, Warblade, and swordsage classes as well as a slew of variant Fighters in Dragon Magazine.  In 4e, WotC gave us the Martial Power source and the Warlord and made the Ranger pretty much another non-magical class.  If not for the continued demand for the Fighter to have a little more depth, we likely wouldn't have gotten so much as the Battle Master in 5e. Also, the Champion archetype exists as an obvious reaction to those people on the opposite side of the spectrum who wanted the option for a simpler and more straightforward Fighter. They also removed the Great-Weapon Fighter's "damage on a miss" mechanic it had in despite it's general popularity among players only after a significant minority protested it in the playtest.  WOTC absolutely does listen to its players on this issue.     If we couldn't discuss things that have no impact on reality on online forums, what would forums be good for? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />  In all seriousness, one of the reasons I visit these forums (among other places) is to read other peoples' opinions, analysis, ideas, and fixes to inspire my own homebrewing. There wouldn't be much analysis/ideas/fixes to be had if everyone were in unanimous agreement that the game was perfectly complete as is and there was nothing worthy of being altered for any legitimate reason.</blockquote>

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