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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7253795" data-attributes="member: 996">It was far and away the most popular class in 4e, too, before and after Essentials 'fixed' it (in the veterinary sense).  And 3e.  And 2e.  It's always been the most popular class...... no matter how good or bad the design....It's also been among the most-criticized classes.  Again, in spite of popularity, in spite of whether the design was good or bad.  Remember the Gleemax 'Fighter SUX' threads?  The fighter being put in Tier 5?  "Fighters cast spells!?"  The last was the best-balanced the design had ever been, the former two were both inflicted upon it's most elegant design incarnation.  It was still the most popular class.   Both true and fallacious.  If the reasoning is that the design is popular, therefor it must be perfect (or at least, better than all the other class designs), then, that's fallacious, classically so.  FWTW.  If the reasoning is that having an indifferent fighter isn't hurting sales, well, popularity is quite a valid thing to consider.   And it's perfectly reasonable to discuss those issues.  Less reasonable:  denying they exist.  Also, it's perfectly fair to have a favorite class, /and still have issues with it/.   Except folks did just that not so many years ago.  Not only to change the most popular class, but to change it twice in comparatively rapid succession.  And, even as the fighter has remained the most popular class, it has been revised in every edition.  If popular = perfect, we'd still have fighters with % STR.It's clearly a more complex issue than just relative popularity.   It can mean the issues are that much more important to address.If people had problems with the Druid they could figure "meh, it's never been that popular, whatever..."(...hypothetically, that is: the Druid's pretty darn good this time around, if still unpopular...) The problem is that a fighter that is up to snuff would be too much of a departure from the traditions of any past ed (even those of 4e, it's fighter was arguably the worst class of the ed out of combat) to be tollerated by the base.  So, yes, the solution has to be a different martial class with less baggage that can pick up the concepts currently relegated to the fighter and do them justice.  Both a Warblade and a Warlord would not be at all out of line.  The advantage is they could be pretty out there, while leaving the Fighter pristine and traditional.</blockquote>

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