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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 9169078" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>Those are the vocal minority - and we know they are a minority because we <em>do</em> have metrics. We have surveys from WotC, we have statistics from D&DBeyond, etc... and they say that Fighters are <em>more</em>, not <em>less</em> popular than wizard. </p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]4kx6jZeN4jM[/MEDIA] - In 2020, Fighters were the MOST PLAYED CLASS and they comment it has ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. They come in at 13% of characters while wizards are only 8%. (Look at the 10 minute mark). That is the real world of lay people reporting in ...</p><p></p><p>But if you go to the vocal minority - the passionate folks that overanalyze, we start to see switches where the wizard may be more popular. And you start to find these people that say, "If you push this to the limit here, interprete that rule agressively there, and ignore the Sage Guidance here you find that a wizard is overpowered!" These folks are more than welcome to do so ... but those people are the vocal minority. And their percentage of sales ends up being rather miniscule. There are thousands of us on Reddit, Enworld, etc... talking about this game like this on a regular basis. There are millions of sales of the PHB - not including the starter set, special editions, etc... You're less than 1% of the people they collect money from on these books. You're an outlier. </p><p></p><p>People love this edition. The outlier complaints that throw in 50 unspoken assumptions into each of their condemnations of the game are, essentially, irrelevant. In truth, most of these complaints do not hold up at most tables ... and when they do, it is usually more a complaint about the player of the wizard trying to show off hos sMUrT they are that they copied something from an optimization guide rather than it is a condemnation of the class balance.</p><p></p><p>YMMV - but the people making this game have spoken OVER and OVER about how proud they are with the edition, and there is a lot of support for their opinions of themselves. There are a few things that can be improved by tweaks, but the people that scream that the sky has been falling and ruining this edition since 2015 ... well ... the game is going strong after nearly a decade of this edition. The sky is safe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 9169078, member: 2629"] Those are the vocal minority - and we know they are a minority because we [I]do[/I] have metrics. We have surveys from WotC, we have statistics from D&DBeyond, etc... and they say that Fighters are [I]more[/I], not [I]less[/I] popular than wizard. [MEDIA=youtube]4kx6jZeN4jM[/MEDIA] - In 2020, Fighters were the MOST PLAYED CLASS and they comment it has ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. They come in at 13% of characters while wizards are only 8%. (Look at the 10 minute mark). That is the real world of lay people reporting in ... But if you go to the vocal minority - the passionate folks that overanalyze, we start to see switches where the wizard may be more popular. And you start to find these people that say, "If you push this to the limit here, interprete that rule agressively there, and ignore the Sage Guidance here you find that a wizard is overpowered!" These folks are more than welcome to do so ... but those people are the vocal minority. And their percentage of sales ends up being rather miniscule. There are thousands of us on Reddit, Enworld, etc... talking about this game like this on a regular basis. There are millions of sales of the PHB - not including the starter set, special editions, etc... You're less than 1% of the people they collect money from on these books. You're an outlier. People love this edition. The outlier complaints that throw in 50 unspoken assumptions into each of their condemnations of the game are, essentially, irrelevant. In truth, most of these complaints do not hold up at most tables ... and when they do, it is usually more a complaint about the player of the wizard trying to show off hos sMUrT they are that they copied something from an optimization guide rather than it is a condemnation of the class balance. YMMV - but the people making this game have spoken OVER and OVER about how proud they are with the edition, and there is a lot of support for their opinions of themselves. There are a few things that can be improved by tweaks, but the people that scream that the sky has been falling and ruining this edition since 2015 ... well ... the game is going strong after nearly a decade of this edition. The sky is safe. [/QUOTE]
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