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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 9170394" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>I am truly a miracle to behold. I can simultaenously be incomplete, meaning I leave a lot of stuff out, and yet have data that I can heavily massage it. Behold my works and tremble at my might!No. Dude. Gloomstalkers are seen as overpowered by many due to their alpha strike extra attack at 3rd level that stacks with multiattack. Optimization guides have shown that you can build very powerful versions of other rangers at the mid levels. They have many abilities that do not excite or seem powerful (except conditionally), but they are just fine overall - although some designs, in particular the Beast Master, need work. </p><p></p><p>You claim that people are suffering through the playing of fighters. I see people revel in it. Look at Critical Role. Their most seasoned player elected to play a fighter in their third campaign. Is he having fun? Absolutely! I've seen dozens of people choose to play fighters. I've played fighters. None of them (and certainly not I) suffered any coercion, or felt like it was a bad choice. </p><p></p><p>Survery results, from multiple sources, disagree with you. My personal experiences - which are substantial in nature and cover a wide spectrum of play groups and styles - disagree with you. When confronted with countering evidence, your response is to ambiguously claim the data is simultaneously skimpy and heavily massaged without any support for either of the conflicting arguments. </p><p></p><p>I think my argument was concise and directly on point - the numbers show people play it more than any other class despite having wide options available to them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 9170394, member: 2629"] I am truly a miracle to behold. I can simultaenously be incomplete, meaning I leave a lot of stuff out, and yet have data that I can heavily massage it. Behold my works and tremble at my might!No. Dude. Gloomstalkers are seen as overpowered by many due to their alpha strike extra attack at 3rd level that stacks with multiattack. Optimization guides have shown that you can build very powerful versions of other rangers at the mid levels. They have many abilities that do not excite or seem powerful (except conditionally), but they are just fine overall - although some designs, in particular the Beast Master, need work. You claim that people are suffering through the playing of fighters. I see people revel in it. Look at Critical Role. Their most seasoned player elected to play a fighter in their third campaign. Is he having fun? Absolutely! I've seen dozens of people choose to play fighters. I've played fighters. None of them (and certainly not I) suffered any coercion, or felt like it was a bad choice. Survery results, from multiple sources, disagree with you. My personal experiences - which are substantial in nature and cover a wide spectrum of play groups and styles - disagree with you. When confronted with countering evidence, your response is to ambiguously claim the data is simultaneously skimpy and heavily massaged without any support for either of the conflicting arguments. I think my argument was concise and directly on point - the numbers show people play it more than any other class despite having wide options available to them. [/QUOTE]
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