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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9174977" data-attributes="member: 7030563">You aren't punished though.  I play fighters.  I play Rogues A LOT.  I am not "punished" for doing that.  There are no negative consequences at all to being less powerful or as you put it "mechanically inferior" than other players at the table.  And if I don't want to be mechanically inferior I can just play another class.Further luck, especially when it comes to your initial ability score rolls contributes quite a bit to being stronger and weaker. What would punish me is forcing me to play a Barbarian or a Druid .... even though a Druid is a full caster and not "mechanically inferior"You can do that advisedly already through class and subclass selection.  When you pick a class and subclass you purposefully choose the mechanics that go with it, and if those don't suit other options are available.What you can't do is remedy poor ability rolls.  Those are locked in and beyond the control of the player make some players inferior and some superior.If you choose to play a Champion Fighter, or any Monk you are intentionally choosing to play an inferior character as compare with other choices you could make (assuming level 5+).I find this whole argument Bizarre.  People choose what they play.And that is what makes them great!  I don't want balanced subclasses.Putting aside for a moment that this is not possible, it is also would not be fun.  Some of the races published in VGTM and later publications are by and large objectively superior to the earlier races and they are overwhelmingly popular.  People LOVE playing these new races.Yet you are arguing that the game would be better if Shaddar Kai and Eladrin were balanced against other Elves, if Goblins were not better than every small race in the PHB etc.People LOVE the imbalanced races.  It is not inferior classes that benefit more, it is non casters specifically, which are inferior at some levels and superior at others.Your last post you suggested that the fact people did not want fighters to be supernatural was part of the problem, here you suggest it is bizzare that fighters can cast spells (i.e. do something supernatural)Exactly as it should be.  If you want to play a character with supernatrual abilities, play a character with supernatural abilities.  IF you don't then don't, but recognize you won't be supernatural if you purposefully play a character that is not supernatural.</blockquote>

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