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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9188126" data-attributes="member: 63508">Subclass, backgrounds, skills, feats, races and ability score distribution all have various levels of influence of the time of a campaign and the acceptance of the DM.Why is the fighter fully designed around appeasing the few DM who demand the fighter be 10% Combat with no brainpower, skills, exploration power, and social power which could be overshadowed or outnichedWould it be okay for the wizard only to have evocation spells and tell them to "take a subclass, skill prof, feat, race and ability score mod to do anything else"?The answer is no. That's what 4e did and the community whined. A lot.So why is it okay for the more popular fighter?It doubt it's okay. That's why WOTC is changing it.What essentially happened is that WOTC surveyed the community in 2013 and there were just enough Toms, Dicks, and Harrys who wanted the fighter to be 100% Combat, 0% anything else to nudge noncombat fightery things out of satisfaction threshold and ensure that dabbling in noncombat was weak as well. +2 to alchemist supplies does nothing vs the d20 afterall.However when 5e released, Tom, Dick, and Harry went back to older editions or OSR. 5e had made concessions to people who don't even play 5e. And then 5e developped a Sunk Cost Fallacy once it became popular.As a whole the 5e community doesn't feel skilled as anything in play due to the unreliablity of the d20 unless<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You have Expertise at the check</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Your have Proficiency in the check and a primary or secondary score which matches the check</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You have magic that boost or overrides the check</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You have a class feature that boost or overrides the check</li> </ol>WOTC picked the Old School lane for 5e Fighters due to their faulty survey. But the majority of 5e fans are not Old School. They pulled a 4e for it.</blockquote>

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