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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9189692" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I can't really argue with most of that.  I will say though that I think the "nonmagic fighter" or for that matter a non-magic PC is an antiquated design concept as well.  When we talk about grognards, I think that needs to be thrown into that bin too.So I will by your theory that the splatbooks are what the 5E community want from fighters, but I also think the focus on "magical" fighter options is because I think that is what most 5E fans want as well.I've played a lot of 5E Monks, Fighters and Rogues but I've never had a desire to play one that is non-magical and I think that is pretty common in 55E.  As a matter of fact, I don't think I have ever played a character 4th level or higher in 5E that could not cast a spell of some type.</blockquote>