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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9190325" data-attributes="member: 7030563">This really does not show this to be true for two reasons.The PHB options are the most popular, because the PHB is the most popular book and those subclasses are the most available to use.  Many tables do not use other books and in 2020 a lot of gamers were using Adventurers League which used to limit the number of books you were even allowed to use at the table; it was I think PHB and one other book.  This is underscored by the fact that Eldritch Knight is third on that list, is not non-magical at all and is in the PHB.  I think Champion is the only subclass in the SRD, which is to say it is the only subclass available to every table playing D&D 5E and probably the biggest reason it is the most popular subclass of all of them.  Availabilty is the reason those three subclasses are the most popular.This also does not mean non-magical fighters are actually popular unless you are also looking at races, feats and mutliclass combos of those characters.  It means those subclasses are popular, but it does not mean their characters are not magical.I have seen Battlemasters and Champions and a few Cavaliers on the tables I played, but I can't remember a single non-magical fighter PC in play in 5E beyond level 4.  All of those are non-magical class/subclasses but all of those PCs also brought substantial magic to the table from other parts of their character build.It was your earlier post about what 5E fans want, and your assertion that the original PHB fighters are OSR designs that really brought me to that realization.  You do see people playing those "old fashioned" OSR PHB subclasses, but when they play those subclasses, they usually spice them up to be more modern with magic through other options outside of the class and subclass.</blockquote>

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