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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9190426" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Those that say fighters can't contribute as much never show numbers either.As I have said previously, class mechanics are not what drives level of contribution, player personality, table dynamics and story elements are.&nbsp; Class mechanics are almost irrelevant to level of contribution.For my part I have given multiple specific examples good and bad from games I am playing or have played in.&nbsp; As for &quot;numbers&quot;, I offer the following real games streamed on Youtube:[MEDIA=youtube]l6u_VDYpI3g[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]e7z3YErNta8[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]m_B-1Dl0ic4[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]G9fIRWjNK2I[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]qYrp6qfXrBM[/MEDIA]All of those videos have fighters in them and you can get hard numbers if you take a stopwatch and record the amount of time each specific character is doing something.&nbsp; If you do that you will find a pretty even dispersion on how much contribution the fighters get in comparison to the other PCs at the table. In some of those games the fighters get little time, others have fighters in the middle and most importantly on one of those streams has 2 fighters and 3 full casters in the party and the 2 fighters get the most screentime of any of the 5 players.Do those videos count as good examples for this discussion?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9190426, member: 7030563"] Those that say fighters can't contribute as much never show numbers either. As I have said previously, class mechanics are not what drives level of contribution, player personality, table dynamics and story elements are. Class mechanics are almost irrelevant to level of contribution. For my part I have given multiple specific examples good and bad from games I am playing or have played in. As for "numbers", I offer the following real games streamed on Youtube: [MEDIA=youtube]l6u_VDYpI3g[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]e7z3YErNta8[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]m_B-1Dl0ic4[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]G9fIRWjNK2I[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]qYrp6qfXrBM[/MEDIA] All of those videos have fighters in them and you can get hard numbers if you take a stopwatch and record the amount of time each specific character is doing something. If you do that you will find a pretty even dispersion on how much contribution the fighters get in comparison to the other PCs at the table. In some of those games the fighters get little time, others have fighters in the middle and most importantly on one of those streams has 2 fighters and 3 full casters in the party and the 2 fighters get the most screentime of any of the 5 players. Do those videos count as good examples for this discussion? [/QUOTE]

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