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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9190729" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I was wondering how you would turn all of this around.  First, I'm talking modules, not the main game since the main game doesn't report stats.Most of the time I had +1 weapon, sometimes with a +1d10. Meanwhile the items have been roughly equal utility.  Wizards were rarely lacking backup scrolls so it's not like they were lacking in useful resources.Although you are correct,  magic items did shore up one of the weaker DPR classes in one game. That would be the wizard that got a boost with those wands of fireball.I almost always go strength based fighters for better AC and being a better front line.  That and someone has to carry all the crap you get until you can sell it.Maybe you play with different groups, I used pretty much the same spells I see in real world play.To a certain degree. It never made a difference in the game though, even focusing on damage the wizard couldn't keep up. For that matter I rarely see controller type wizards in my games, that's been more of a bard thing.But even then, control by itself will rarely win the encounter. It's a team game and if the other characters can kill the monsters more quickly that just shows that different abilities and roles synergize well.  Even if this were true (the game doesn't use flanking, I've never played a 5E game that did), so what? Effective tactics are part of the game.  Rogues that always stay in back and hide never do as much damage as the fighter while also doing nothing to keep the monsters off the casters.Most games end in the first two tiers. Even when they get higher, you still generally spend less time there.  I've never seen a game that just skipped the first 2/3 of the game. In 3E I may have agreed with you, at lower levels casters were relatively weak but at higher levels they dominated. In the 5E games I've played or run to 20th I have never felt like the fighter's ever stopped contributing significantly to the success of the team.Is there a single standard to how games are run?  Because I've never seen that.But like I said. Same conversation, same conclusions. I just wanted to correct some stuff that I felt were inaccurate assumptions and statements. In my experience fighters are popular and contribute just fine at all levels.  They are not in any way a suboptimal choice, they are just have a different role. The fact that they are the most popular class played in the most popular TTRPG ever seems to back up my personal observations.</blockquote>

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