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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9199777" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>Yet another meaningless strawman with no basis in fact. On the other hand we do have some facts. People don't play what they don't enjoy. They may try it once or twice but they aren't going to be repeat customers. Fighters are the most popular class which would not happen if people tried them and disliked them.</p><p></p><p>Therefore all evidence we have indicates that people enjoy playing fighters and play them more than once. If they didn't they couldn't sustain popularity. I know I enjoy playing fighters, the people I actually play with enjoy them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whether people give a furry rat's ass about so-called balance is beside the point. People have plenty of options yet they choose to play fighters over every other class. For what it's worth, fighters in every game I've ever played contributed just as much as every other class, they just have a slightly different role than wizards. Thank goodness for that last bit, I like having the options.</p><p></p><p>It's one thing to say "I don't like X". It's another thing to claim "Nobody really likes X, or wouldn't if they weren't so ignorant, because I don't like X. It's bad design because I say so and other people's opinions are just wrong." Which is why I have an issue with this never-ending argument. A handful of people don't like fighters. That's to be expected, nothing can work for everyone. It's the repeated excuses made to support an opinion that is contraindicated by the data that we do have. So there have to be more excuses why the data is misleading. It never ends. </p><p></p><p>Don't like fighters? Don't play them or find some 3PP alternative. Maybe, just maybe, accept that other people have different preferences and that a lot of people both old and new players actually like playing the class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9199777, member: 6801845"] Yet another meaningless strawman with no basis in fact. On the other hand we do have some facts. People don't play what they don't enjoy. They may try it once or twice but they aren't going to be repeat customers. Fighters are the most popular class which would not happen if people tried them and disliked them. Therefore all evidence we have indicates that people enjoy playing fighters and play them more than once. If they didn't they couldn't sustain popularity. I know I enjoy playing fighters, the people I actually play with enjoy them. Whether people give a furry rat's ass about so-called balance is beside the point. People have plenty of options yet they choose to play fighters over every other class. For what it's worth, fighters in every game I've ever played contributed just as much as every other class, they just have a slightly different role than wizards. Thank goodness for that last bit, I like having the options. It's one thing to say "I don't like X". It's another thing to claim "Nobody really likes X, or wouldn't if they weren't so ignorant, because I don't like X. It's bad design because I say so and other people's opinions are just wrong." Which is why I have an issue with this never-ending argument. A handful of people don't like fighters. That's to be expected, nothing can work for everyone. It's the repeated excuses made to support an opinion that is contraindicated by the data that we do have. So there have to be more excuses why the data is misleading. It never ends. Don't like fighters? Don't play them or find some 3PP alternative. Maybe, just maybe, accept that other people have different preferences and that a lot of people both old and new players actually like playing the class. [/QUOTE]
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